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glencho98 Sep 11, 2017 4:19 pm

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate your insight. I will pass on this offer and let's see what the check-in holds.

CMK10 Sep 13, 2017 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 28788253)
First, they get you hooked. Then, they jack up the price. ;)

When you skin your customer, leave some skin to grow so you can skin them again

StayingHomeIsBetter Sep 14, 2017 3:49 pm

I priced a ticket in coach: $419 RT

I then checked FC, same routing: $812 RT (for a P fare)

Difference: $393

I selected the coach fare and clicked forward to the reservation confirmation page. I was offered an UG to "Flex First Class" for $434... each way. For a total RT cost of $1287.

There were no links associated with the offer that provided any description of what "Flex First Class" is.

A search on Delta.com did not yield any hits.

A search on google indicated that others have sought to find the answer, but was no help.

I assumed that "Flex First Class" meant a full-fare F fare that might be refundable. But, no, an F fare for that itinerary was $2275.

So, what is there between a P fare and an F fare, and what flexibility does it provide?

Why leave this up to customer speculation?

MarkP24 Sep 17, 2017 1:02 pm

Award Tickets
 
Does Delta offer the option to buy up to Comfort+ or F on award tickets or just on revenue tickets? TIA

strickerj Sep 17, 2017 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by MarkP24 (Post 28826314)
Does Delta offer the option to buy up to Comfort+ or F on award tickets or just on revenue tickets? TIA

My dad got me an award ticket to go home for Thanksgiving, and there's no buy-up option, even though they used to be. (C+/F seats are now grayed out.)

PV_Premier Sep 17, 2017 4:49 pm

Smf-STL one way via SLC. Fare diff at purchase was $175 main cabin to F. After purchase FCM offered for $235. Now dropped to $175. I'd like to see it at $150 before I feel tempted.

MarkP24 Sep 17, 2017 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by strickerj (Post 28826975)
My dad got me an award ticket to go home for Thanksgiving, and there's no buy-up option, even though they used to be. (C+/F seats are now grayed out.)

Thanks. That's helpful.

PV_Premier Sep 17, 2017 5:07 pm


Originally Posted by MarkP24 (Post 28827128)
Thanks. That's helpful.

I sometimes see upgrade offers at OLCI on awards but rarely before

Duke787 Sep 18, 2017 2:43 pm

Interesting C+ buy-up comparison for upcoming travel (different PNRs)

JFK - SFO: $145 (base ticket ~$600)

ATL - BRU/BRU - ATL: $99 (base ticket $550)

I know it's because TATL is not a separate fare class but still interesting since ATL - BRU is ~65-70% longer. No F offer on either yet though ATL - BRU is the only one I'd even consider biting on since the other two are daytime.

CHOPCHOP767 Sep 18, 2017 3:11 pm

I'm wondering if this threat is appropriate or if another one should be started, but I just received an email from DL saying that miles can now be used to 'move up'. So, I'm wondering if the option for FCM will now be: "Upgrade for $xxx or using xxx,xxx SkyMiles"...

Yes, I intentionally used that number of x's for upgrading with miles :)

AlwaysAA Sep 19, 2017 8:30 am


Originally Posted by GBadger (Post 15914957)
To be more brutally honest (this has nothing to do with DYKWIA), if DL doesn't offer me F upgrades on a regular basis, I have NO reason to fly DL. UA offers domestic E+, more easily usable miles, a more comprehensive global network with better (*A) partners, usable international SWUs, and far more flight options out of SFO.

I don't need F, but if I'm no longer going to get it for free, I have better options. I'm guessing there are plenty others like me. Could be wrong.

People are buying these yup fares.. On American, as execplat - I almost never cleared.. A buddy of mine on United (1K) - has a very bad record of clearing.. I have near ZERO status on Delta.. Love them.. Switched earlier this year.. When I want first, I just buy the upgrade offer.. Last week, flying home from AUS to JFK.. I did paid FC upgrade.. and noticed the number of prem customers in coach (was more than a couple).

Delta offers an amazing product. I'd like to see how you enjoy United as compared to Delta. I think the only issue is - Delta is selling out what should be a perk for FF. But, people are paying it. So can you blame them?

BTW - Super confused - How are they also selling JFK->LAX Delta First seats for $650. I thought I had hit the lottery.

AlwaysAA Sep 19, 2017 8:32 am


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 28830938)
Interesting C+ buy-up comparison for upcoming travel (different PNRs)

JFK - SFO: $145 (base ticket ~$600)

ATL - BRU/BRU - ATL: $99 (base ticket $550)

I know it's because TATL is not a separate fare class but still interesting since ATL - BRU is ~65-70% longer. No F offer on either yet though ATL - BRU is the only one I'd even consider biting on since the other two are daytime.

I literally think the upgrade price - is the price of the ticket subtracted from the published discounted FC price currently on Delta.com.. give or take a few bucks.. The higher the coach ticket price, the closer the spread between published coach and discounted fc, the lower the FCM rate..

I've used it 6 or 7 times in the last 60 days.. Love it..

EZEDoesIt Sep 19, 2017 8:53 am


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 28830938)
ATL - BRU/BRU - ATL: $99 (base ticket $550)

When were you ever able to snag the direct to BRU for $550, or are you connecting from somewhere else?

dilbertsdaddy Sep 20, 2017 7:19 am

I used to get buy-up offers, but right now the only thing I am getting is c+ offers......even where my itinerary is already upgraded. And I get it for free, why would I pay?

I have only done the buy-up to F twice, both times it was a good deal. Possibly at this point DL has determined I'm not a good candidate since I never bite on the high ones?

AlwaysAA Sep 20, 2017 9:43 am


Originally Posted by dilbertsdaddy (Post 28837886)
I used to get buy-up offers, but right now the only thing I am getting is c+ offers......even where my itinerary is already upgraded. And I get it for free, why would I pay?

I have only done the buy-up to F twice, both times it was a good deal. Possibly at this point DL has determined I'm not a good candidate since I never bite on the high ones?

Or worse. Because you are diamond - they are attempting to mask their behavior from you. You would probably never think to buy a benefit. Whereas, I would jump at the opportunity for an FCM moment.


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