WidgetKid

O absolutely hope that this will be the case; those aircraft are in desperate need of some sort of entertainment.

BenA, where did you get your stats on the CR9 v E75? Last time I checked they were both configured 12/64. I agree though totally with your statement/

DTWflyer

Not all of the CR9s have 12 up front. Some of the 9E or OO aircraft I believe only have 9 or 10 FC seats.

I know that all of XJ and OH's CR9s are in 12/64.

skidv25

I would love it if they would install AVOD when they reconfigure the A319s, but I'm not so optimistic since the newly-reconfigured MD-90s didn't get any IFE whatsoever.

fly747first

I understand many of you are upset, but let's look at the competition:

United offers 8 F seats on A319s
US Airways offers 12 F seats on A319s

And again, as another flyer noted, DL is adding 4 F seats to MD-90s and offering a first class cabin on CRJ 700s.

Does anyone know if DL will improve the seat pitch in F with the new 12F configuration? On the current A319 configuration, rows 2-4 have a tight seat pitch of 35 inches.

BenA

I was using SeatGuru for quick back of the envelope calculations, but you're totally right and I messed up - Delta.com indicates that the 10F/60Y configuration SeatGuru has on file as "CRJ-900 configuration 1" is apparently bogus. Here are the correct calculations based on Delta.com, sorted in order of FC percentage, for the <125 seat aircraft fleet:

Douglas DC-9-30: 16F, 84Y: 16/100 = 16.0% F
Mesaba/Comair CRJ-900: 12F, 64Y: 12/76 = 15.8% F
Embraer ERJ-175: 12F, 64Y: 12/76 = 15.8% F
Douglas DC-9-40: 16F, 94Y: 16/110 = 14.5% F
CRJ-700: 9F, 56Y: 9F, 56Y: 9/65 = 13.8% F
Airbus A319 (current): 16F, 108Y: 16/124 = 12.9% F
Douglas DC-9-50: 16F, 109Y: 16/125 = 12.8% F
SkyWest CRJ-900: 9F, 67Y: 9/76 = 11.8% F
Boeing 737-700: 12F, 112Y: 12/124 = 9.7% F
Airbus A319 (rumored): 12F, 114Y: 12/126 = 9.5% F
Embraer ERJ-170: 6F, 64Y: 6/70 = 8.6% F
SF340:
CRJ-200:

The core point still stands though - in fact, since my example SEA-SLC flight would be SkyWest, the 16>12 reconfiguration does in fact take the A319 from more attractive than the CR9 to less attractive.

Also, looking at this list I can't help but think our favorites, the DC-9s, would be next on the slippery reconfiguration slope to drag them down nearer to the premerger Delta 737-700's percentage...

Note that for those who aren't aware, most mainline scope clauses for airlines are set limiting regional flights to 76 seats or less - so the CR9 and E175 F cabins are likely a direct result of labor contracts.

BenA

That's sort of the point. If Delta loses its advantage on the size of F cabins and availability of domestic upgrades, why not jump ship to an airline that has better international upgrades and better award redemptions?

belfordrocks

Pinnacle's CR9's have 70 seats, the rest 76.

Every1 Get A Life

Wrong there. Pinnacle has always had 12/64.

SkyWest was the one that only had 9F seats, but those have since been reconfigured. All CR9s in the combined fleet now have 12/64

timf

For all those wishing for new seats with AVOD as part of this reconfiguration, I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. Switching row 4 from F to Y is something that can be done overnight. I expect the "new" seats will come from the charter aircraft currently flying scheduled routes once they go back to charter configuration.

Boise

But it gives them two more seats to fly Non-Rev's around.

Seminole_Kev

Hopefully, even if the first class seat count is reduced, they add a bit more space between each seat. I find first on these birds to be a bit tight.

motytrah

I guess they're tighter, but not as bad as some of the PMDL 757 F bulkhead seats where you don't have a foot cut out and your knees almost touch the wall.

I suspect that F will remain just as tight and this will be all about more Y seats.

Seminole_Kev

I'm talking about the "regular"/non-bulkhead seats. I avoid bulkhead seats on any aircraft if possible.

fly747first

Am I missing something?

(-4F) A319 + (4F) MD90 + (9F) CRJ 700 = 9 so that's an increase of 9 F seats we didn't have before.

WidgetKid

All the CR9's have 12/64 now.

But that point aside, I agree that F on those birds is a bit tight; I find this the case on most (by no means all) PMNW aircraft.

Timf, I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by the seats coming from the charter aircraft. Could you explain that please? Thanks in advance.