Use of PMUs
Dec 31, 2009, 7:56 am
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Use of PMUs
Hi all- I am new to the forum and just made Platinum Medallion for 2010. (Did about 30,000 MQMs in last 2 months).
Anxious to get my hands on the systemwide upgrades (I think I've seen them referred to as PMUs??) At any rate, i was reading the FAQ about 2010 changes. It made mention of being able to use the systemwide upgrades on day of travel.. Does that mean you have to book and confirm coach seat on International flight, then wait to see if availability is there for BusinessElite. Or, can you confirm a BE seat in advance with these certificates (assuming you've booked in the proper coach fares). The coupons would seem far less valuable. Also, are they used per segment. Ex. RDU-JFK-LON.. would this require 2 coupons or 1?
Thanks.
Anxious to get my hands on the systemwide upgrades (I think I've seen them referred to as PMUs??) At any rate, i was reading the FAQ about 2010 changes. It made mention of being able to use the systemwide upgrades on day of travel.. Does that mean you have to book and confirm coach seat on International flight, then wait to see if availability is there for BusinessElite. Or, can you confirm a BE seat in advance with these certificates (assuming you've booked in the proper coach fares). The coupons would seem far less valuable. Also, are they used per segment. Ex. RDU-JFK-LON.. would this require 2 coupons or 1?
Thanks.
Dec 31, 2009, 8:19 am
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Welcome to flyertalk!
If you've purchased a Y/B/M fare (for international) and there is inventory in the appropriate upgrade fare bucket (Z for DL, U for NW), then you can confirm the upgrade ahead of time.
RDU-JFK-LON would require 1 PMU (and another for the return). I would assume there is some limit to the number of segments you can have and still use a PMU but I don't know what it is.
If you've purchased a Y/B/M fare (for international) and there is inventory in the appropriate upgrade fare bucket (Z for DL, U for NW), then you can confirm the upgrade ahead of time.
RDU-JFK-LON would require 1 PMU (and another for the return). I would assume there is some limit to the number of segments you can have and still use a PMU but I don't know what it is.
Dec 31, 2009, 8:28 am
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Another thing you might do is subscribe to expertflyer.com as many who frequent this website do. I've found it to be very helpful in determining Z availability. I think I'm one of the few that has been able to use all my PMUs.
Dec 31, 2009, 9:25 am
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For NW TATL/TPAC upgrades, U is used for M and discount B (rare, IME) fares; there's another bucket for Y and full unrestricted B (like BEERT) fares, I believe Z class. These are the same buckets as are used for mileage upgrades.
Dec 31, 2009, 9:28 am
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. Wait until you see the cost of the M+ fares required for their possible use... and then good luck trying to redeem a PMU. They can take a lot of time, patience, and luck.PS, welcome to FT.
Dec 31, 2009, 10:04 am
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http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi....jsp#whats_new
"Platinum Systemwide Upgrades ... good for travel within or between the 50 United States, Bermuda, Canada, the Caribbean and Mexico on any Delta published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or K class or Northwest published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or V class. For all other international travel, upgrades are valid on any published fare in Y, B or M class."
"Platinum Systemwide Upgrades ... good for travel within or between the 50 United States, Bermuda, Canada, the Caribbean and Mexico on any Delta published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or K class or Northwest published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or V class. For all other international travel, upgrades are valid on any published fare in Y, B or M class."
Dec 31, 2009, 10:15 am
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from Faq
So, interested to understand what's new for 2010? Were you not able to use on same day prior?
Here is the explanation from delta.com... looking for the interpretation from all of you experienced Medallions....
In addition to the existing ability for customers to request an upgrade in advance, the new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates will be valid for use on the day of departure. This means if a First or Business Class seat is available on your Delta flight on the day of departure you will be able to request the upgrade.
Platinum Medallions will be able to select 4 Systemwide Upgrade Certificates as a Choice Benefit. Diamond Medallions will be able to select 6 Systemwide Upgrade Certificates as a Choice Benefit.
As with the existing Platinum Systemwide Upgrades, the new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates will be good for travel within or between the 50 United States, Bermuda, Canada, the Caribbean and Mexico on any Delta published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or K class or Northwest published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or V class. For all other international travel, upgrades are valid on any published fare in Y, B or M class.
Here is the explanation from delta.com... looking for the interpretation from all of you experienced Medallions....
In addition to the existing ability for customers to request an upgrade in advance, the new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates will be valid for use on the day of departure. This means if a First or Business Class seat is available on your Delta flight on the day of departure you will be able to request the upgrade.
Platinum Medallions will be able to select 4 Systemwide Upgrade Certificates as a Choice Benefit. Diamond Medallions will be able to select 6 Systemwide Upgrade Certificates as a Choice Benefit.
As with the existing Platinum Systemwide Upgrades, the new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates will be good for travel within or between the 50 United States, Bermuda, Canada, the Caribbean and Mexico on any Delta published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or K class or Northwest published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q or V class. For all other international travel, upgrades are valid on any published fare in Y, B or M class.
Dec 31, 2009, 10:22 am
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We don't have any real detail yet on how the day of departure upgrades will work, re:
"This means if a First or Business Class seat is available on your Delta flight on the day of departure you will be able to request the upgrade."
If that means any available seat, it may be an improvement, but most of us don't book an upgradeable fare unless we can confirm availability at the same time anyway.
Dec 31, 2009, 11:47 am
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Correct. Existing process says if they don't clear one day before, you're out of luck.
We don't have any real detail yet on how the day of departure upgrades will work, re:
"This means if a First or Business Class seat is available on your Delta flight on the day of departure you will be able to request the upgrade."
If that means any available seat, it may be an improvement, but most of us don't book an upgradeable fare unless we can confirm availability at the same time anyway.
We don't have any real detail yet on how the day of departure upgrades will work, re:
"This means if a First or Business Class seat is available on your Delta flight on the day of departure you will be able to request the upgrade."
If that means any available seat, it may be an improvement, but most of us don't book an upgradeable fare unless we can confirm availability at the same time anyway.
Dec 31, 2009, 10:47 pm
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If you want to get the upgrades for intercontinental flights, it's well worth the money to subcribe to expertflyer (I think $99 a year last time I renewed). With this I have no trouble on using the PMUs for upgrades to Asia with advance planning. You will still have to buy a M-class fare (around $2k for the cheapest cities in Asia), but at least you have 3 RTs per year (6 one-way certs).
The old NW Platinum certs were frankly much better (upgrade from any paid ticket basically), but it was only 2 one-ways or 1 RT per year.
The old NW Platinum certs were frankly much better (upgrade from any paid ticket basically), but it was only 2 one-ways or 1 RT per year.
Jan 1, 2010, 12:55 am
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Is expertflyer worthy?
I always tried this free one:
http://www.flyaow.com/classamex.htm
I always tried this free one:
http://www.flyaow.com/classamex.htm
If you want to get the upgrades for intercontinental flights, it's well worth the money to subcribe to expertflyer (I think $99 a year last time I renewed). With this I have no trouble on using the PMUs for upgrades to Asia with advance planning. You will still have to buy a M-class fare (around $2k for the cheapest cities in Asia), but at least you have 3 RTs per year (6 one-way certs).
The old NW Platinum certs were frankly much better (upgrade from any paid ticket basically), but it was only 2 one-ways or 1 RT per year.
The old NW Platinum certs were frankly much better (upgrade from any paid ticket basically), but it was only 2 one-ways or 1 RT per year.
Jan 1, 2010, 2:05 am
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Jan 1, 2010, 3:17 am
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Then I imagine you'll be one of those choosing a different option going forward:
"Q. What are Choice Benefits?
A. Members will be able to choose from a variety of exclusive "Choice Benefits," when they earn Platinum or Diamond Medallion status, including new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates now usable on the day of departure, the ability to gift Medallion status, additional bonus miles, Delta Sky Club One-Day passes and other select options. Other benefits will be added by program launch.."
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skym...aqs.jsp#choice
"Q. What are Choice Benefits?
A. Members will be able to choose from a variety of exclusive "Choice Benefits," when they earn Platinum or Diamond Medallion status, including new Systemwide Upgrade Certificates now usable on the day of departure, the ability to gift Medallion status, additional bonus miles, Delta Sky Club One-Day passes and other select options. Other benefits will be added by program launch.."
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skym...aqs.jsp#choice