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PersonalFlotationDevice Dec 10, 2009 11:28 pm

This is big. I will clear the year at ~200k MQMs, so I am now considering a match and switch. I am not a fan of EWR but I will be DM next year, could keep it with a few INT flights, and could then devote to CO if DL doesn't respond by March.

Sweet! Ironically the rollovers make this approach much easier...

DeltaFlyingProf Dec 11, 2009 12:59 am


Originally Posted by GBadger (Post 12965102)
The way I see it, by sticking around, I'm taking a bit of a risk...

I'm investing in a company when it's going downhill, in the hopes that the exodus will lead to some change (increased award availability, international upgrade instruments, etc..) and that I'll be in a good position when that time comes. It wasn't too long ago that CO had many complainers leaving.. They turned things around and are now doing alright.
At the very least, my upgrade percentage should increase if everyone else leaves... Still in shock about 11 open BE seats on my Sunday night JFK-SFO flight this past weekend :eek:. It was nice to have a row and a half to myself on the BE 763. I can get used to that :D.

Good luck! I won't be holding my breath for you though. DL has proven that they do not keep any promise. They will probably double the number of miles you need for an award beyond what the choice awards are! LOL

Originally Posted by Red Tail Fan (Post 12965144)
I made my decision back in September that DL was not going to see another dime from me, after they ruined NW and treated us NW plats like crap, so I started flying on AA and haven't looked back. However, I was looking at some flights in the first week of January and DL was $160 less than AA on the same itin and similar times, so I booked the ticket on DL out of weakness, then I said "Hell No!" and I canceled my reservation about 5 minutes after booking it and booked on AA about an hour later after their price came down.

I pretty much did the same, though so far I have not had to purchase a single ticket where DL was cheaper.

Originally Posted by PersonalFlotationDevice (Post 12965510)
This is big. I will clear the year at ~200k MQMs, so I am now considering a match and switch. I am not a fan of EWR but I will be DM next year, could keep it with a few INT flights, and could then devote to CO if DL doesn't respond by March.

Sweet! Ironically the rollovers make this approach much easier...

Very ironic indeed! I may ask for a CO match and keep both AA Exp and CO Plat as I like to have all the eVIPs of AA and make use of my *A card to get access to the domestic lounge. And CO's lounges are great!

PS: In DEN, DL has closed the CRC but AA has a AC and CO has a PC.

omadave Dec 11, 2009 7:24 am


Originally Posted by GaryDD (Post 12964178)
I am happy for all the giddy new CO Plats, I personally would not be so eager to make the switch to:

1. Be at the 3rd highest tier, CO Plats are below UA Global Serv AND UA 1K's for UG's and with less F seats.

2. Flying ANYTIME out of EWR. The airport sucks and there are ALWAYS delays.

3. Flying 737's

4. Lose 93K rollover MQM's (yes that is over the 125K for DM).

For what, 2 BE tickets at 800 vs. 2600 each. no thanks.

Hmmm, let's see, 737's or CRJ-200's - what would you choose??? I may be 3rd in line on the UA flights, but that's still better than no chance on a bunch of barbie jets, which is all DL flies any more.

Congrats on flying over 200k MQM's on DL, not sure how you do it. Good luck trying to use those valuable miles.

I think I'll take my chances with * and have 4 different airline choices in North America versus 1 substandard choice with SkyTeam. Thanks for staying with DL though, the party's getting full over here anyway :p

mdb Dec 11, 2009 8:31 am

I am thinking that I will get the statu match next year and move my flying to CO. Most of my flying is international, so this is a no brainer...

avflyer Dec 11, 2009 8:43 am

So I am already cleared as a PM on CO for next year. I have also recently booked award travel to Europe for family members (prior to having status) this summer. I am talking on CO's web site, at 55K miles RT, on the dates I wanted, with multiple options regarding flights/connections. Wow that was easy. So as I plan travel for next year, here are my thoughts.

Now if I could rack enough MQMs to make DM, about the only issue I would have with DL would be:

No low fare SWUs
Award Availability
Web Site

That said, if my business paid for TATL YBM (which at current M fares it does not), DL DMs would have up to 10 PMUs in a year which isn't too shabby especially with the easing up on day of departure usage.

That said, DL is missing the boat on the non-DM PM and that's me. Here I think they are making a grave mistake. After all, why bother creating incentives for GMs and FOs while pissing all over non-DM PMs. Yes, I might clear 100K but doubt I can hit 125K MQM. If I stay with DL this means in addition to the list of shortfalls for DMs:

Paying for changes to award travel - This is a bigger issue for me than DL realizes
Second tier status for upgrades
No real valuable PM option (this is a big one since I am getting less PMUs which I can't use and now have to pay for award changes/redeposits which are more common due to poor award inventory)

About the only benefit of staying with DL is a better chance at upgrades out of NY (less elite heavy).

If I switch to CO, I would be equally tiered with top elites for the next year. If I reach 100K and gain 4 usable SWUs - that would be great. No redeposit fees not that I think I would need to worry about them as inventory seems significantly better at low award levels (this now from experience).

As for upgrades out of EWR, this will require a little research as I don't fly LUT even on DL (to help ensure a better chance at the gate lottery). If CO M fares are reasonable and auto-upgrade into F, then this might be offset.

What are other non-DM PMs thinking.

Himmelhund Dec 11, 2009 8:43 am


Originally Posted by mnbp (Post 12965112)
Of course the entertainment system on the A330 has nothing to do with the aircraft controls - but as a techie, the A330 entertainment system is actually Linux-based, and not Windows 9x at all. A couple of times, early in the life of the A330s in the NW fleet, I saw the system boot up just before our flight departure, complete with Linux boot messages displayed on the big screen at the front of the cabin for all the passengers to see. In my experience, this only happened in the early years when that AVOD system was new, and not often recently.

Not in November. I was right there and saw them try and reboot over and over again and it *was* Win 95. A bunch of folks were talking about this including the FA's. I was kidding about the fly-by-wire. In any case, the A-330 AVOD in BE was not working :-). Oh yea, the little tux penguin was on the AVOD itself at first, the main computer area to right, in the front starboard side next to the galley is where they were booting and rebooting and it was, as noted, Win 95 which then appeared on the AVOD too. They were able to boot up some seats individually and when they tried it with me it was all Win 95 on the AVOD and the main system on the wall.

GaryDD Dec 11, 2009 9:26 am


Originally Posted by omadave (Post 12966595)
Hmmm, let's see, 737's or CRJ-200's - what would you choose??? I may be 3rd in line on the UA flights, but that's still better than no chance on a bunch of barbie jets, which is all DL flies any more.

Congrats on flying over 200k MQM's on DL, not sure how you do it. Good luck trying to use those valuable miles.

I think I'll take my chances with * and have 4 different airline choices in North America versus 1 substandard choice with SkyTeam. Thanks for staying with DL though, the party's getting full over here anyway :p

Yes, unfortunately for YYZ it seems you can only find a RJ, it is the same with AA, but take a look at CO options within the U.S. and there are far more RJ's than I care for.

I don't fault anyone for making the move, I just find it entertaining that they are jumping up and down like they won the lottery here, I believe when the recipricol upgrades kick in with UA they will be the ones moaning and groaning on the OnePass forums about not being able to get upgrades.

It's all relative, but for me, the reasons to switch to CO are not attractive enough. I have done this in the past, grass greener thinking and switched to AA from NW about 5 years ago, only to come back within a year. It is easy to find faults to ANY airlines FFP and/or service.

Yes I am an ex-NW but I am not going to whine that DL ruined my FFP, that is not to say I won't miss some of the perks that went away :(

g50 Dec 11, 2009 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by hur88 (Post 12950855)
If they didn't even issue any kind of response to AA (a larger player than CO) opening SWUs to all classes, why would anyone expect DL to match CO offering SWUs to all classes?

Because delta was dating CO and then they left us for *A:eek:
Seriously, I don't think DL will be the only one not to match. But the better do it soon, before everyone is gone.


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12952441)
I do often look at award redemption availability to/from LHR. I was looking at it today for travel later this month. I had no issue -- but then I am an AA EXP and AA seems to be willing to do for me what DL is not willing to do for me as a DL Platinum.

DL has said availability DM will be better than PM. Sounds like EXP is noticeably better. DL please take note!


Originally Posted by ocdb8r (Post 12953344)
More to the point....Over the past few months I have made a real effort to stay neutral in the back and forth between DL and NW flyers. I don't believe DL is evil or that they have completely ruined WorldPerks...it was not a perfect program to begin with.
However, I have to admit, the recent changes by the other carriers have made it more and more difficult to keep my eyes from wandering.

Well said.


Originally Posted by DP-340 (Post 12954770)
[*]Introduce "at the gate" use on M+ fares

You are probably right, but I don't think they have said SWU will have to be used with M+ tickets at the gate. Hopefully they will be on any fare at the gate. Maybe CO's changes will help this.


Originally Posted by avflyer (Post 12955042)
1) Milking PMs for fees stinks. I hate the redeposit/change award fees. HATE THEM!

This was my number one reason I went for PM. Changing this mid year was not right. Yes, they were allowed to, but it doesn't make it right.

asnovici Dec 11, 2009 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by avflyer (Post 12967022)
What are other non-DM PMs thinking.

This non-DM PM (114K this year) is thinking United. And actually doing it. Buh bye DL.

transportbiz Dec 11, 2009 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by AndyTLe (Post 12950582)
It is "invitation-only" but all you have to do is pay to get an invite. Maybe it is just me, but $30K spend isn't that much.

The 4MM for life is interesting.

Unemployment must pay better than I thought. :D

5khours Dec 11, 2009 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by DP-340 (Post 12958998)
I agree, and as a consequence, the tone is radically different here. I have been reading regularly the CO and AA FT boards for the last 6 weeks and it is clear that there isn't the level of unhappiness and/or negativity that is present here.

+1 for the UA board.

MikeMpls Dec 11, 2009 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by GaryDD (Post 12967282)
Yes I am an ex-NW but I am not going to whine that DL ruined my FFP, that is not to say I won't miss some of the perks that went away :(

Not a "whine", just a simple fact in so many ways. The deterioration of the last 12 months is all but incredible. I never imagined that they would strive so hard to alienate their newly acquired population of high-mileage fliers.

DP-340 Dec 11, 2009 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by g50 (Post 12968275)
... I don't think they have said SWU will have to be used with M+ tickets at the gate. Hopefully they will be on any fare at the gate. Maybe CO's changes will help this...

Actually they have. Below is what Jeff said:


Originally Posted by RealDLInsider (Post 12134183)
... The new systemwide upgrades will still require the purchase of a YBM fare, however will become usable on the day of departure and will also become fully automated (no more paper)...


5khours Dec 11, 2009 6:43 pm

The problem with DL is that the bean counters think that if they make life miserable enough for budget constrained FFs, they will suddenly decide to shell out thousands of extra dollars for full fare C or Y. In reality, what happens is that FFs stay home or take their business elsewhere.

CDQ Dec 11, 2009 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by omadave (Post 12966595)
Hmmm, let's see, 737's or CRJ-200's - what would you choose??? I may be 3rd in line on the UA flights, but that's still better than no chance on a bunch of barbie jets, which is all DL flies any more.

Congrats on flying over 200k MQM's on DL, not sure how you do it. Good luck trying to use those valuable miles.

I think I'll take my chances with * and have 4 different airline choices in North America versus 1 substandard choice with SkyTeam. Thanks for staying with DL though, the party's getting full over here anyway :p

I would be willing to bet that CO has a larger percentage of RJ's than Delta.


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