Certain look required for first class?
Nov 4, 2009 | 4:00 pm
#106
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I personally feel as if it was a race thing because I believe I was well dressed. I wasn't wearing a suit but I was business casual. Button down shirt, it wasn't tucked in and nice jeans and dress shoes.
I know I was looking ok because I got a number!
I know I was looking ok because I got a number!
Nov 4, 2009 | 4:41 pm
#107
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Wow, I guess some people take flying to a whole new level. Maybe MR can be called a GR or BR...
Nov 4, 2009 | 4:47 pm
#108
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CHIP
Just now I checked into my flight well 20 minutes ago. Normally I have no checked bags so no need to deal with anyone at the counter but today I am bringing with me a suit so I had to check the garment bag
anyway I am standing in the first class line waiting to be called on there was someone already at the counter. The agent yells to me that the regular line Is on the other side and then said regular passengers have to check in on the other side.
Confused I asked what? And he repeated that regular passengers like me use the other side.
I told him I was in first and he mumbled I didn't look like it. I ignored him because I know of I had said something it woulnt have ended nicely.
Am I supposed to look old and white to fly first?
anyway I am standing in the first class line waiting to be called on there was someone already at the counter. The agent yells to me that the regular line Is on the other side and then said regular passengers have to check in on the other side.
Confused I asked what? And he repeated that regular passengers like me use the other side.
I told him I was in first and he mumbled I didn't look like it. I ignored him because I know of I had said something it woulnt have ended nicely.
Am I supposed to look old and white to fly first?
Nov 4, 2009 | 4:51 pm
#109
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Chip on shoulder?
OP sounds like a nice guy--with a bit of a chip!
Who knows reason for mumble and comment from harassed and underpaid gate staff.
OK, you're in your seat now. Cool down...and tamp it down for the next round of perceived harassment.
Is it not rather a slur to refer to 'old and white' typical F pax without question?
Just asking.
Who knows reason for mumble and comment from harassed and underpaid gate staff.
OK, you're in your seat now. Cool down...and tamp it down for the next round of perceived harassment.
Is it not rather a slur to refer to 'old and white' typical F pax without question?
Just asking.
Nov 4, 2009 | 4:57 pm
#110
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+1. F pax transcend all categories. But I guess what I ask from fellow pax in F is what I would ask from any pax: Please have clean clothes on, have a certain amount of discretion in your choice of apparel, and mind your personal hygiene. That's the only "dress code" that I would think would be essential for anyone to travel among strangers. Anything else IMHO would be unfairly discriminatory.
Nov 4, 2009 | 5:18 pm
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Also, are you even serious?? Have you been to L.A. and Southern California?? There is no where more superficial and "image conscious" on the planet then this area. It's ridiculous.
It sounds like this story is an exception and not the rule...
Then again, when I go in first, I always wear jeans, a button down shirt, ALWAYS a jacket, and NEVER a hat... And I've never gotten a comment like that...
Nov 4, 2009 | 5:55 pm
#112
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Agreed.
When I pay, I dress as I want. When someone pays me, then dress code can be negotiated along with my fee.
Don't body stank me, don't spillover into my seat, and don't snip toenail clippings into my wine...which apply anywhere, not just in FC on an aircraft.
FC is now equivalent to back of the bus treatment in the early 80s. Nothing glamorous about riding Greyhound.
Folks needing their glamor fix (delusional or non) might get more of what they need with fractional ownership. You gotta pay to play.
If there is a dress code and I ain't getting paid, then I ain't attending the function.
When I pay, I dress as I want. When someone pays me, then dress code can be negotiated along with my fee.
Don't body stank me, don't spillover into my seat, and don't snip toenail clippings into my wine...which apply anywhere, not just in FC on an aircraft.
FC is now equivalent to back of the bus treatment in the early 80s. Nothing glamorous about riding Greyhound.
Folks needing their glamor fix (delusional or non) might get more of what they need with fractional ownership. You gotta pay to play.
If there is a dress code and I ain't getting paid, then I ain't attending the function.
Nov 4, 2009 | 7:22 pm
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Oh yes, and one more to add to this. The bulkhead is NOT your personal footrest. This past Sunday while sitting back in the exit row, I look up to see the passenger in 1D with his sock feet propped up against the bulkhead at about seatback height (high enough that I could see them from that far back). I mean seriously? People, have a little since of common courtesy to your neighbors.
Nov 5, 2009 | 1:30 am
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In my experience, there is usually someone with a bottle of wine that they'll share in the back of the Greyhound. Etiquette says to wipe the lip of the bottle after you drink before passing it on.
Nov 5, 2009 | 1:49 am
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Pass the bottle, pls!!!
I dont think etiquette applies at the back of the greyhound.....other thirsty passengers will get impatient from you wiping the bottle.....
Nov 5, 2009 | 3:13 am
#117
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Got nothing to do with the clothes dude, it's all in the attitude. If you act like you belong there, they'll let you right through even if you have four legs and drool.
Been thinking about doing an international flight dressed only in cutoffs... no shoes, no shirt, no luggage except a passport. Wondering what kind of reaction I'd get going through check-in and immigration??
Been thinking about doing an international flight dressed only in cutoffs... no shoes, no shirt, no luggage except a passport. Wondering what kind of reaction I'd get going through check-in and immigration??
Nov 5, 2009 | 4:31 am
#118
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Blazers and pajamas
I have seen in first/business class people with shorts, sandals, T-shirt, and a blazer! They often travel with a tennis racket even in the middle of the winter. It makes sense as otherwise you have to squeeze in your blazer/jacket in to an over night bag. Why not wear them regardless of whatelse you are wearing.
How about pajamas? I have seen passengers changing into night clothes on long distance flights and then wandering all around the plane. I believe some airlines even give first class passengers night clothes.
I have seen a few who would cover themselves completely by a blanket, even covering their heads, and look like an apparition, deeply asleep. They often over sleep and are the last one to get off the plane. So you would never know their identity. I suspect they are celebrities.
How about pajamas? I have seen passengers changing into night clothes on long distance flights and then wandering all around the plane. I believe some airlines even give first class passengers night clothes.
I have seen a few who would cover themselves completely by a blanket, even covering their heads, and look like an apparition, deeply asleep. They often over sleep and are the last one to get off the plane. So you would never know their identity. I suspect they are celebrities.
Nov 5, 2009 | 7:26 am
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[QUOTE=5khours;12770617]Got nothing to do with the clothes dude, it's all in the attitude. If you act like you belong there, they'll let you right through even if you have four legs and drool.
With respect to @5khours, I simply do not suscribe to this statement. If it were true, then the average coach paying passenger would be able to land a first class seat while holding an LUT fare and no skymiles status.
A paying or upgraded passenger only needs a boarding pass indicating that they are indeed sitting up front. That should be the end of it.
In most instances of blatant discrimination, having "attitude" usually makes things worse for the victim as the offending discriminator would equate that attitude to being stuck-up, uppity, or a jerk.
There are Gate Agents out there who would never recognize certain passengers as having a regal flair (read: attitude) about themselves. They only see physical and social triats; this adversely impacts their perception of people. You would think, considering having experience actually seeing who holds first class/upgraded tickets, Gate Agents would know better than anyone that you cannot really stereotype a 1st Class passenger. I know that as a frequent flyer, I can't.
With respect to @5khours, I simply do not suscribe to this statement. If it were true, then the average coach paying passenger would be able to land a first class seat while holding an LUT fare and no skymiles status.
A paying or upgraded passenger only needs a boarding pass indicating that they are indeed sitting up front. That should be the end of it.
In most instances of blatant discrimination, having "attitude" usually makes things worse for the victim as the offending discriminator would equate that attitude to being stuck-up, uppity, or a jerk.
There are Gate Agents out there who would never recognize certain passengers as having a regal flair (read: attitude) about themselves. They only see physical and social triats; this adversely impacts their perception of people. You would think, considering having experience actually seeing who holds first class/upgraded tickets, Gate Agents would know better than anyone that you cannot really stereotype a 1st Class passenger. I know that as a frequent flyer, I can't.
Nov 5, 2009 | 7:40 am
#120
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OP sounds like a nice guy--with a bit of a chip!
Who knows reason for mumble and comment from harassed and underpaid gate staff.
OK, you're in your seat now. Cool down...and tamp it down for the next round of perceived harassment.
Is it not rather a slur to refer to 'old and white' typical F pax without question?
Just asking.
Who knows reason for mumble and comment from harassed and underpaid gate staff.
OK, you're in your seat now. Cool down...and tamp it down for the next round of perceived harassment.
Is it not rather a slur to refer to 'old and white' typical F pax without question?
Just asking.
That's so amazingly funny. I am always thrilled to hear someone say that another person has a "bit of a chip!" From the tantrums I have observed at the Gate, in the Sky Club, and during flight, it's those same flame throwers that have a nervous breakdown when something truly minor and totally random affects them in a way that doesn't fit their fancy. There is nothing better than seeing a grown man in a business suit whine, incessantly, about not getting an upgrade, having to eat pasta because other first class passengers have ordered all the chicken dishes, or finding out after landing that their bags are delayed until the next flight that will land in a short 50 minutes. Yes, when people are discriminated against, they have a chip on their shoulder. But, let some passengers get RANDOMLY SELECTED for additional screening at the security gates and look out...its going to be World War III!!!