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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 11:18 am
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Inquiries can make up as much as 15% of your credit score. This makes it an easy math problem. Can you accept the results?
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jpdx
There is no significant correlation between poor credit and poor driving, and there certainly is no predictive relationship. It's a lie. A well marketed lie, but a lie nonetheless.
This makes no sense.

Insurance companies have no reason to set rate classes based on something that has nothing to do with your driving record. What in the world would they gain by chasing away some customers unless they were high risk customers??

And it makes perfectly good sense, also. Both are caused by risk-taking behavior.
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
Insurance companies have no reason to set rate classes based on something that has nothing to do with your driving record.
Ok, so poor credit = poor driving. Show me the data.
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jpdx
Ok, so poor credit = poor driving. Show me the data.
It doesn't have to be all drivers with poor credit driving poorly, just some. The insurance business is a numbers game, so even if a small number of lower fico drivers have an increased tendency towards car accidents (due to more risk taking behavior or disregard for rules), it pays for the insurance company to use credit scores as a factor.
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by deltaflyer256
The insurance business is a numbers game, so even if a small number of lower fico drivers have an increased tendency towards car accidents (due to more risk taking behavior or disregard for rules).
This is exactly correct. It's called the law of large numbers. The simplest explanation of how it works is mine and Bill Gates average net worth is 20 billion ( a few billion) but if you average in everyone and remove the outliers my average net worth is back to something more real.

Cigarette smoking works the same way, though the science is not as disputed now. Old argument, cigarettes don't cause cancer (specifically, you can’t prove they cause cancer), however the correlation between smoking and lung cancer was just too high to be ignored forever.

As someone above mentioned, it's not that someone with a lower score will have an accident; it's that they're more likely, statistically, to have a claim, using the law of large numbers. So while one particular person with a low credit score would not have a particular claim, the vast majority of people with similar credit scores will.

This has nothing to do with data, though I'm sure it does exist. This is simply those evil actuaries picking on the little guy with their statistical mumbo jumbo.
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 4:59 am
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Originally Posted by Dudemon
This has nothing to do with data, though I'm sure it does exist. This is simply those evil actuaries picking on the little guy with their statistical mumbo jumbo.
Under competition, it does actually lower rates for those with higher credit scores. The more factors used to identify risk, the lower the rates are for those who aren't identified as riskier (b/c more high risk drivers are removed from their group).
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by jpdx
Ok, so poor credit = poor driving. Show me the data.
It is called adverse selection in the insurance business. There are people who can't make car or mortgage payments who burn them up to get out of their financial responsibility. It is a statistical reality.
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Old Jan 29, 2007 | 2:23 pm
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People with bad credit also get insurance when they are required to, like when they have a claim to file, their license is due for renewal, they are getting a new job or they are buying a car. And then surprise, surprise, they don't pay the bill and it lapses or cancels.

People with bad credit are more likely to be involved in a hit and run.

People with bad credit are more likely to steal, not hold a job, get drunk and drive.

Most people with bad credit are irresponsible, that is why their credit is bad.

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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by benolathe
How would this affect your auto insurance rates?
Get your Free CLUE Report on this one..go to Choicetrust.com
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by drbond
Most people with bad credit are irresponsible, that is why their credit is bad.
yep, I believe that, just by looking around the town I live in
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 10:42 pm
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Originally Posted by jpdx
Ok, so poor credit = poor driving. Show me the data.
this was from http://www.kiplinger.com/features/ar...dit.html#auto:

The Texas Department of Insurance conducted its own study in 2004 to see if there really was a correlation and came to the same conclusion. After studying the claims records of two million insurance policies, the insurance department found "the difference in claims experience by credit score was substantial," according to the regulator's report. The 10% of policyholders with the worst credit scores had 1.5 to 2 times more claims than the 10% of policyholders with the best credit scores. Drivers with the best credit scores were involved in about 40 percent fewer accidents than those with the worst credit scores.

I'm all for it. It will lower my rates because I have good credit scores.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by drbond
The best way to make your score look good is to take a credit card with a credit limit of 20k, balace transfer check 19k, within two payments drop it to 10k if you have 0% and then split the other over the time period left.
Carrying that much revolving debt will not make your credit score look "good". I've read anecdotal evidence that having small balances reporting may help credit score, but we're talking in the range of 1%-5% of available revolving credit, which can easily be accomplished by just using credit cards for monthly expenses anyway.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by scrog
They have some data that shows the lower the credit rating the more likely the person is to get in a wreck.
Originally Posted by jpdx
There is no significant correlation between poor credit and poor driving.
Originally Posted by deltaflyer256
The insurance business is a numbers game, so even if a small number of lower fico drivers have an increased tendency towards car accidents (due to more risk taking behavior or disregard for rules), it pays for the insurance company to use credit scores as a factor.
Actually, I don't believe the insurance companies ever claimed there was a correlation between credit score and driving ability or number of accidents. As the Texas Department of Insurance study confirmed there is a corrleation between credit score and number of claims, those with lower credit scores tend to file more insurance claims.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Beckles
Carrying that much revolving debt will not make your credit score look "good". I've read anecdotal evidence that having small balances reporting may help credit score, but we're talking in the range of 1%-5% of available revolving credit, which can easily be accomplished by just using credit cards for monthly expenses anyway.
I did it and my score jumped 15% within 60 days. So it does work, maybe not for you, but it did work for me.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by iahphx
FWIW, I asked my insurer USAA about this and they said it would absolutely NOT affect my rates. It apparently could affect a decision regarding insuring a new individual, however.
I'm a longtime USAA car insurance policy holder so this is good news , particularly since I'm getting ready to apply for my third AA credit card in order to rack up miles!
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