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ptatohed Dec 30, 2021 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 33857151)
What is not clear with these cards - is the cashback is limited to $3000/year spend, in other words - you will get $150 cashback max, or the cashback itself you can get is limited to $3000 per year?

Second question - is mobile wallet spend has MCC exclusion categories?

I'm pretty sure it's $3,000 spend. Which is pretty low. It can't be your only 5% card. You'd have to use it in conjunction with other 5% cards to spread out your spend so you don't hit caps sooner. What I think you can do (but I am not totally sure) is get more than one of these 5% mobile wallet World Elite store cards.

ptatohed Dec 31, 2021 12:28 am


Originally Posted by yugi (Post 33856528)
AR is not a travel card, it's a cashback card, you don't need to travel in order to get 4.5% cashback on almost everything. There are also easy ways how to get $325 in cash, without spending a dime on travel or anything else. And, you do get points when you're also spending those $325 (I don't, because I just cash it).
I doubt that you average 4%, when you're limited in $1500 spend per quarter. I don't even consider those cards, I MS them every quarter. All my spend goes to unlimited cards, such as AR.

Then I must be very confused about the AR card. I go to the product page and I see travel, travel, travel. Search for the word 'travel', it comes up 25 times. Search for the word 'cash', it comes up 0 times. I thought the 1.5x was only available through the USB Travel Portal. "Airport lounge, TSA, Rental cars, Infinite Luxury hotels, taxis, airlines, trains, cruise lines", etc. 3x points on travel. 5x points on hotels and car rentals. Wallet Hub voted it the best travel card. Business Insider calls it a travel card. nerdwallet compares it to other travel cards. Heck, the term 'Altitude' refers to airplanes. Seems like a travel card to me! But what do I know?

https://www.usbank.com/credit-cards/...edit-card.html

The point I was trying to make with the rotators is when you have a $1500/quarter cap, that's per card. When you have multiple 5% category cards, you essentially have a higher cap. Especially when there is one category per card that you hit a lot. Yes, if one card was used for my big three - dining, gas, and grocery - I'd gobble up my cap in no time. But, that's very rare, if ever. If I am lucky, I have one 5% card for dining, one for gas, and one for grocery. Essentially a $4,500 cap for this example. I don't spend $500 in any one category per month to reach the $500/mo cap.

A little side story about 5% cards. I realized I hadn't collected my Nusenda CB in a while. I go to log on and my PW and UN did not work. I called and it turns out, after 1 year of not logging in, they reset all your login info. Doh! I get it sorted out, log in, and I had $603 CB sitting in there! OMG!

toofast Dec 31, 2021 9:01 am


Originally Posted by ptatohed (Post 33857194)
Then I must be very confused about the AR card. I go to the product page and I see travel, travel, travel. Search for the word 'travel', it comes up 25 times. Search for the word 'cash', it comes up 0 times. I thought the 1.5x was only available through the USB Travel Portal. "Airport lounge, TSA, Rental cars, Infinite Luxury hotels, taxis, airlines, trains, cruise lines", etc. 3x points on travel. 5x points on hotels and car rentals. Wallet Hub voted it the best travel card. Business Insider calls it a travel card. nerdwallet compares it to other travel cards. Heck, the term 'Altitude' refers to airplanes. Seems like a travel card to me! But what do I know?

https://www.usbank.com/credit-cards/...edit-card.html

The point I was trying to make with the rotators is when you have a $1500/quarter cap, that's per card. When you have multiple 5% category cards, you essentially have a higher cap. Especially when there is one category per card that you hit a lot. Yes, if one card was used for my big three - dining, gas, and grocery - I'd gobble up my cap in no time. But, that's very rare, if ever. If I am lucky, I have one 5% card for dining, one for gas, and one for grocery. Essentially a $4,500 cap for this example. I don't spend $500 in any one category per month to reach the $500/mo cap.

A little side story about 5% cards. I realized I hadn't collected my Nusenda CB in a while. I go to log on and my PW and UN did not work. I called and it turns out, after 1 year of not logging in, they reset all your login info. Doh! I get it sorted out, log in, and I had $603 CB sitting in there! OMG!

I can see both sides on this discussion. I have the AR card and love it, but I'm happy to jump through their hoops in order to get the maximum value from it. I can see how someone who just wants a 'use & forget' card would not like it.

As an example, in order to get the 4.5% of value, the points have to be exchanged for travel, but only certain types of travel and only in certain amounts, and even when you qualify, it's still annoying as they send you a text message, which you have to reply to in order to cash-in your points.

As I said, I'm a big AR fan, but it's not for everybody.

snowmt Dec 31, 2021 9:58 am


Originally Posted by toofast (Post 33857958)
I can see both sides on this discussion. I have the AR card and love it, but I'm happy to jump through their hoops in order to get the maximum value from it. I can see how someone who just wants a 'use & forget' card would not like it.

As an example, in order to get the 4.5% of value, the points have to be exchanged for travel, but only certain types of travel and only in certain amounts, and even when you qualify, it's still annoying as they send you a text message, which you have to reply to in order to cash-in your points.

As I said, I'm a big AR fan, but it's not for everybody.

AR is a great card to build a simple portfolio. AR for mobile wallet + 2% transferable points card (or 3% cash back card) is a great and simple combo (e.g., for your wife) with adequate benefit (e.g., primary car rental, limited lounge access, purchase/travel protection).

toofast Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am


Originally Posted by snowmt (Post 33858115)
AR is a great card to build a simple portfolio. AR for mobile wallet + 2% transferable points card (or 3% cash back card) is a great and simple combo (e.g., for your wife) with adequate benefit (e.g., primary car rental, limited lounge access, purchase/travel protection).

Yes, agreed. I have to keep things VERY simple for my wife. I usually get a major eye roll every time I hand her a new card to use for a specific purchase!

yugi Dec 31, 2021 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by ptatohed (Post 33857194)
Then I must be very confused about the AR card. I go to the product page and I see travel, travel, travel. Search for the word 'travel', it comes up 25 times. Search for the word 'cash', it comes up 0 times. I thought the 1.5x was only available through the USB Travel Portal. "Airport lounge, TSA, Rental cars, Infinite Luxury hotels, taxis, airlines, trains, cruise lines", etc. 3x points on travel. 5x points on hotels and car rentals. Wallet Hub voted it the best travel card. Business Insider calls it a travel card. nerdwallet compares it to other travel cards. Heck, the term 'Altitude' refers to airplanes. Seems like a travel card to me! But what do I know?

https://www.usbank.com/credit-cards/...edit-card.html

The point I was trying to make with the rotators is when you have a $1500/quarter cap, that's per card. When you have multiple 5% category cards, you essentially have a higher cap. Especially when there is one category per card that you hit a lot. Yes, if one card was used for my big three - dining, gas, and grocery - I'd gobble up my cap in no time. But, that's very rare, if ever. If I am lucky, I have one 5% card for dining, one for gas, and one for grocery. Essentially a $4,500 cap for this example. I don't spend $500 in any one category per month to reach the $500/mo cap.

A little side story about 5% cards. I realized I hadn't collected my Nusenda CB in a while. I go to log on and my PW and UN did not work. I called and it turns out, after 1 year of not logging in, they reset all your login info. Doh! I get it sorted out, log in, and I had $603 CB sitting in there! OMG!

It's a travel card, but you don't have to use it for travel, you can use it for mobile wallet only. That's what I do, with occasional car rental here and there, since I have other cards which I use for travel. And AR doesn't give you transferable points, it gives you cashback. Yes, you have to use travel related charge in order to cash the points, but you don't need to travel. This applies to all cards which use redemption against travel purchases, such as Barclays Arrival+, Cap1 Venture, etc. But at the end you get cash, not miles or points. This is when using their real time rewards feature. IMO, it's pretty easy to do, unlike with CSR.

yugi Dec 31, 2021 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by toofast (Post 33858140)
Yes, agreed. I have to keep things VERY simple for my wife. I usually get a major eye roll every time I hand her a new card to use for a specific purchase!

I use stickers on the cards for that, but the problem is with mobile wallet, she doesn't want to use it, so "everything else" card is a Priceline 3.33% card.

ptatohed Jan 1, 2022 2:19 am

I hear you guys with the "wife factor". My wife is pretty good at appeasing me. She does a good job at 'tolerating' the card juggling. I used to take each quarter's card's categories and create a business card size "cheat sheet" printout using AutoCAD; I'd print it, cut it, laminate it (i.e. packing tape) for my and mrs. ptatohed's wallets. That has stopped and the cheat sheets are now just sticky notes, lol. I did score some points with her recently when I got AOD because it replaced 3 cards!!!!!! - 3% AARP (gas and drug (used to be gas and dining)), 3% Savor (Dining, grocery, streaming, entertainment), and 2% Citi DC (everything).

sciconf Mar 11, 2022 12:46 pm

I got the AOD cc a month ago and started using.
Their savings rate is only 0.15%

Is there a reliable bank with higher than 0.6%?

toofast Mar 11, 2022 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by sciconf (Post 34067508)
I got the AOD cc a month ago and started using.
Their savings rate is only 0.15%

Is there a reliable bank with higher than 0.6%?

T-Mobile Money - 1%

www.t-mobilemoney.com

sciconf Mar 11, 2022 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by toofast (Post 34067587)
T-Mobile Money - 1%

www.t-mobilemoney.com

You are indeed TooFast toofast

ptatohed Mar 16, 2022 12:28 am

Did we mention Bank of the West Cash Back World? It has 3% on dining, gas, and groceries for the first $1500/qtr.


https://www.bankofthewest.com/person...dit-cards.html

sciconf Mar 18, 2022 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by toofast (Post 34067587)
T-Mobile Money - 1%

www.t-mobilemoney.com

I am not a TMobile customer
Is there an advantage in opening a savings a/c? I did not see a side by side comparison.
It seems both a/c pays 1% - I can not see any advantage?

ptatohed Mar 19, 2022 1:41 am

The FordPass card, even if you had no use for all of the FordPass reward points you'll earn, gives a $200 statement credit every year you spend $6,000. That's essentially 3.33% CB when you spend exactly $6k. And, there is now a LincolnPass card which you can apply for separately which will allow $12k in spending when combined with the FordPass.

If you can use the FordPass points, even better! Can be applied to oil changes, etc.

https://www.card.fnbo.com/ford/

toofast Mar 19, 2022 11:39 am


Originally Posted by ptatohed (Post 34088071)
The FordPass card, even if you had no use for all of the FordPass reward points you'll earn, gives a $200 statement credit every year you spend $6,000. That's essentially 3.33% CB when you spend exactly $6k. And, there is now a LincolnPass card which you can apply for separately which will allow $12k in spending when combined with the FordPass.

If you can use the FordPass points, even better! Can be applied to oil changes, etc.

https://www.card.fnbo.com/ford/

That's an interesting find.

I probably won't go for it for the small increase in cashback, but it will suit some people.


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