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Old Sep 1, 2017 | 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by tmiw
I wouldn't say that's always the case. For example, I received a new Chase business debit card recently and the paperwork that came with it actually said to enter the PIN whenever prompted.
Forget the paperwork, especially since you said all it says is "whenever prompted"; it doesn't say when you will be prompted for that PIN, or that the only thing you will ever be prompted for is that PIN, does it?

What do you actually get asked when you use that debit card pump-side (not cashier-side) at a self-service gas station in the US? Zip code or PIN? (You don't actually need to buy gas to do this experiment; it asks for the zip code before you pump the gas, and that point you can hit Cancel if you didn't actually want to buy gas with that card, and start over with a card that earns big points for gas purchases or whatever.)
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Old Sep 1, 2017 | 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Forget the paperwork, especially since you said all it says is "whenever prompted"; it doesn't say when you will be prompted for that PIN, or that the only thing you will ever be prompted for is that PIN, does it?

What do you actually get asked when you use that debit card pump-side (not cashier-side) at a self-service gas station in the US? Zip code or PIN? (You don't actually need to buy gas to do this experiment; it asks for the zip code before you pump the gas, and that point you can hit Cancel if you didn't actually want to buy gas with that card, and start over with a card that earns big points for gas purchases or whatever.)
I've never used that particular card (or really any debit card) at gas pumps, but lately the ones around here ask "Is this debit card?" after you insert/remove a card. I presume this means that PIN would be asked for if I choose Yes to that question, otherwise why ask?
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 2:38 am
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Originally Posted by tmiw
I wouldn't say that's always the case. For example, I received a new Chase business debit card recently and the paperwork that came with it actually said to enter the PIN whenever prompted.
I thought all debit cards came with material that say enter a PIN whenever prompted.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 2:52 am
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Originally Posted by mia
...Come to think of it I may have never used a debit card to buy anything.)
I knew you had a long history of being very smart about credit cards and such. Never? If only I knew how to play the rewards game when I was 18, I'd have thousands of dollars in credit card rewards sitting in the bank.
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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
I thought all debit cards came with material that say enter a PIN whenever prompted.
They usually just say "sign or enter PIN" and don't actively encourage either method, unlike Chase apparently.



(The card's chip is programmed just like their personal debit cards, BTW.)
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Old Sep 3, 2017 | 2:18 am
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Which is weird because Chase makes more money from signature based transactions... I can't believe what I just read.
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Old Sep 3, 2017 | 2:30 am
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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
Which is weird because Chase makes more money from signature based transactions... I can't believe what I just read.
Maybe like 1-2 cents more if that. Remember, they're a big issuer per Durbin.
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Old Sep 3, 2017 | 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by tmiw
Maybe like 1-2 cents more if that. Remember, they're a big issuer per Durbin.
Not sure where you come to that conclusion.

If I pay my $200 Verizon Wireless bill with my Chase debit card in the corporate store, there's two options...

1) $0.25 + 0.005% for debit (Chase splits $1.25)
2) 2.5% (Chase splits $5) for credit.
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Old Sep 3, 2017 | 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
Not sure where you come to that conclusion.

If I pay my $200 Verizon Wireless bill with my Chase debit card in the corporate store, there's two options...

1) $0.25 + 0.005% for debit (Chase splits $1.25)
2) 2.5% (Chase splits $5) for credit.
How much Verizon pays their merchant processor/rips their customers off != how much Chase gets. The latter is generally less than the former. (For example, Square charges merchants 2.75% regardless but pays much less money for non-exempt debit cards compared to credit cards and exempt debit cards.)
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