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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by x712xdamx
I've received more than 2 cards in 6 months. More than once I've applied for 2 AMEX cards (pers & biz) and received both, no problem.
I agree. I have even been able to apply for the Amex Platinum (personal), Premier Rewards Gold Amex (personal) and Amex SPG (business) on the same day and get approved for all 3. Kindly Experian combined all three into a single inquiry on my credit report.
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 3:47 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
All that may be technically true, but for the average person, it is way easier to understand how to use two browser types than how to clear all the Citi AA cookies correctly and yet have both apps up at the same time, both filled out, and both ready to hit Submit one after the other.

I don't want to clear all my cookies, ie even ones not related to Citi AA apps. So to me a "you can just clear all your cookies" is not a solution. And a more fine-tuned solution about cookie clearing is more steps than (for example) starting up Firefox and starting up IE at the same time.

Furthermore, the instructions for clearing of cookies -- fine-tuned or not -- is browser-specific, but the instructions to use any two different browser types is not browser-specific or even platform specific.

That is why many of us recommend the two-browser trick for that. It's a simple way, no matter what you know or don't kinow about cookies, no matter what platfrom you're using, no matter whether you fill out both apps before you hit Submit or not, to avoid problems. So it's an easy "single solution" to publish.
That is all fine and dandy, and you are absolutely correct, this is the simplest solution to achieve the desired end. However, my problem is, OP called this thread:

'Other double Browser Tricks ??'

And the proceeded to say this:

Originally Posted by knightjerry
I know you can do the double browser trick on Citbank / AA
But are there other cards , Airline / Hotel cards where this will also work also

I am a bit of a Newbie..........maybe 6 cards in the last 6 months
This is a fundamentally incorrect understanding of what 'the two browser trick' is. FWIW, I always thought that was a stupid name to call it, because it leads directly to this misunderstanding.

It seems to me, OP is asking if there are other loopholes in various CC systems whereby he can procure more CC bonuses in a shorter time, and there isn't even a loophole to begin with. This is fundamentally incorrect. The only reason people were using two browsers were for the exact reasons both you an jcmitchell21 said.

What's worse is others are parroting this misunderstanding of the OP:

Originally Posted by x712xdamx
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As jcmitchel said, it's not about getting 2 cards, it's about getting 2 of the SAME card, that you couldn't normally do. The important part is applying the same day.
Ironically, this guy stumbles upon the real answer about getting two two AAdvantage products when he says 'applying the same day'. But again, the second browser has nothing to do with it.

Also to point out, jcmitchell21 also said 'some users' were experiencing this cookie issue that necessitated the 'two browser trick', and continued to point out he was not one of them -- I will add, again, that I am in his camp. I've never cleared cache, cleared cookies and never used two browsers when applying for two Citi cards, yet, I've still managed to get my two AAdvantage cards, repeatedly (oh, and at 11 months, not the 18 month rule that everyone preaches as gospel as well).

Again, the only point I was trying to make is, there is no such thing as 'the two browser trick' for getting two credit cards. 'The two browser trick' is just something to use just in case you fear that the Citi website might treat your second application as a duplicate of the first. Something btw, only very very very few people ever reported as happening. Ever since then, 'everyone' has used the two browser trick to avoid this thing, and, then suddenly it seems the group collectively forgot what the whole thing was about and gave more credence and purpose as to what the 'two browser trick is'.

Or, to answer the OP's original question, every CC issuer then allows for a double browser trick. If the CC issuer allows for more than one CC to be issued at a time, you can apply using two browsers... if you want. It won't make a difference, unless of course there is a bug in their web page design and they're caching cookies that cause your second application to be treated as a duplicate -- which is the original, and only reason people used two browsers in the first place, over 20 months ago. There was a reported bug in Citi's application page that some were experiencing. Who knows if it's been fixed by now or not. No one is even looking because a majority think 'the two browser trick' is for some completely different purpose than reality.

So... I will continue to assert to those who think using two browsers to 'trick' Citi into giving you a second AAdvantage card, that dropping rose petals on your keyboard, and dancing the Irish Jig before submitting your second application will also vastly improve your chances of being approved for the second card. I highly recommend it. Every time I've danced the Irish Jig I've gotten both my applications approved therefore it must be true, right?

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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by thehawk75
So... I will continue to assert to those who think using two browsers to 'trick' Citi into giving you a second AAdvantage card, that dropping rose petals on your keyboard, and dancing the Irish Jig before submitting your second application will also vastly improve your chances of being approved for the second card.
You are confusing "increasing your chance" with "decreasing the possibility of a technical confusion decreasing your chances".

The two-browser trick doesn't increase your chances above other methods of avoiding somehow Citi treating your two apps as one. It does, however, sometimes increase your chances of avoiding that fate over doing nothing at all (just opening two of the exact same app in two tabs of the same borwser and hopting for the best).

The explanation is two-step. Step 1 (the main reality): Doing both apps as close in time as possible (certainly on the same day) does increase your chances, much more than dropping rose petals and dancing an irish jig but waiting a day between the two applicaitons.

Once you know that you have to do both at about the same time, there however steps in a technical issue, of how to do that correctly.

That's where the two-browser-type trick (and btw its two types of browsers, not just two of the same borwser, since two of the same browser can inheirt cooides just like two tabs in the same browser can) steps in. It's the simplest way to ensure that applying for two cards at about the same time will count as two apps.

So, again, technically it's two completely separate issues. One (applying for both cards on the same day) is proven to be necessary in all cases, and the second (using two browser types for the two apps) is shown to be one way (the simplest way) of avoiding a pitfall that a few people (even if not many) have fallen into (when they have not taken any means to avoid cookies getting confused). Again, if you know all about cookies and how and when to clear them to avoid cookie confusion betwen two apps in different tabs, more power to you, but that's not the simplest explanation how to absolutely avoid that issue.

Meanwhile, yes, the OP was very confused when they started this thread (confusing applying for two cards of different tyeps with the same bank with applying for two cards of the same type with the same bank, for starters). Unfortunately, the OP didn't come back quickly, and meanwhile other people jumped in and took the thread in other direcitons, and now it's less relevant what the first post was any more.
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
You are confusing "increasing your chance" with "decreasing the possibility of a technical confusion decreasing your chances".
I wasn't confusing anything...

As you finally point out:

Originally Posted by sdsearch

Meanwhile, yes, the OP was very confused when they started this thread (confusing applying for two cards of different tyeps with the same bank with applying for two cards of the same type with the same bank, for starters). Unfortunately, the OP didn't come back quickly, and meanwhile other people jumped in and took the thread in other direcitons, and now it's less relevant what the first post was any more.

But, OP is not alone in his confusion (and I'm NOT including you amongst the confused, so don't take it that way). Clearly there are a lot confusing the point of why they are using two browsers.

Originally Posted by sdsearch
The two-browser trick doesn't increase your chances above other methods of avoiding somehow Citi treating your two apps as one. It does, however, sometimes increase your chances of avoiding that fate over doing nothing at all (just opening two of the exact same app in two tabs of the same borwser and hopting for the best).
Agreed. Then again, so very few people actually reported the problem, I certainly didn't know of such an issue until it was reported -- about 20 months ago.

Originally Posted by sdsearch
The explanation is two-step. Step 1 (the main reality): Doing both apps as close in time as possible (certainly on the same day) does increase your chances, much more than dropping rose petals and dancing an irish jig but waiting a day between the two applicaitons.
Well, arguing a different point. Again, I'm all in agreement on the getting your 2 AAdvantage Apps done really close together. It certainly does allow you to get the 2nd card without the dreaded 'first time cardmembers only' rejection. However, to some of us who've churned for a while, it's a bit of a moot point, as habit we always apply for more than one card from the same issuer at the same time since multiple inquiries at the same bureau on the same day get merged into 1. The worst that can happen is you don't get the 2nd (or 3rd) card, but, the cost is still the same net single inquiry, so, as far as 'risk - reward' calculations go, applying for the 2nd card from the same issuer, especially if you got an instant approval on the first, should be a no brainer. Speaking of Citi, they'll allow 2 cards every 60 days. No 'rule' I know of for Chase, but, I'll say I also get 2 at a time with them (for the single inquiry), likewise with AMEX.

So, at any rate, there's more purpose to doing 2 applications at a time, in general, beyond the getting 2 AAdvantage cards. So, in cases where people are having caching/cookie issues when submitting the 2nd (or 3rd) application to that issuer, then, I do agree using a 2nd different browser will certainly get around that. However, to treat this as exploiting some loophole that gets you extra cards out of Citi, and seeking to find a similar loophole with other issuers, as OP's thread seems to be seeking, shows someone who is fundamentally misinformed as to why he's using two browsers. Judging by others posts (not yours), and even some posts at travel bloggers websites who I won't name, it's clear that OP is not alone in this misconception.
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by thehawk75
Agreed. Then again, so very few people actually reported the problem, I certainly didn't know of such an issue until it was reported -- about 20 months ago.
I honestly believe that occurrence largely depends on your computer's set up especially the profile of your browser. The duplicate cards did happen once on a friend of mine - and that was from way back when we could do AA cards every 60-65 days at clockwork. Since then the little group of us started to use 2 different browsers to avoid that potential issue from happening because we wanted to get one Visa one MC. That is how long ago when MC is a regular product of AAdvantage.

It is not until years later (yes years later) such thing is being touted by many bloggers as a 2 browser trick to get 2 cards as if this would enable people to get 2 cards at the same time... What a misleading of the herds!

There is no need to use 2 browsers if your computer is set up with different profiles within the same browser. However since most are not savvy in the usage of such (me included), using 2 different browsers basically ELIMINATEs the potential problem.

Besides, one could not get more than 2 cards of any kind from Citi within the same 60-65 days anyway.

Both you and sdsearch are correct essentially just so that you are more articulated in addressing the MISUNDERSTANDING of the so-called "2 browser trick" as if it is some trick to get you 2 cards... when sdsearch, in his usual fashion, went into great length to explain the several elements related to the reasons why using the 2 browsers does have some advantage than using the same browser.

However, both of you are essentially talking about the same matter that is badly misunderstood by most.
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