Speculation on Dec Flying as a Function of COVID
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Speculation on Dec Flying as a Function of COVID
I am curious as to the opinions that people on FT have as to what they think will happen in December with flying in general as COVID cases in the US really explode and as various governments increase restrictions.
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Flying will not go down to the very low levels of April, since now many people are more tired of the virus than scared of it.
However, there will probably be some lightening of loads, as some activities are suspended or postponed due to new restrictions / stay-home advisories.
Also I'm guessing this will not be limited to UA.
However, there will probably be some lightening of loads, as some activities are suspended or postponed due to new restrictions / stay-home advisories.
Also I'm guessing this will not be limited to UA.
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I think airlines are in a tough spot. As many have said, their entire business model is in direct opposition to public health. One could even argue it is unethical to encourage (e.g. fare sales, mileage discounts, double EQM) non-essential travel. On the one hand, they wanna keep the lights on. OTOH, at what cost?
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I think airlines are in a tough spot. As many have said, their entire business model is in direct opposition to public health. One could even argue it is unethical to encourage (e.g. fare sales, mileage discounts, double EQM) non-essential travel. On the one hand, they wanna keep the lights on. OTOH, at what cost?
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I anticipate people will continue to fly United, as they currently are. I anticipate the people who dont want to fly wont be forced to and they can stay home if they wish.
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I am seeing my family and friends for Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, and in the process, should cross 100K miles flown this year.
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Not sure what this has to do with UA. It's the same issue for every other carrier as well as Amtrak, Greyhound and for that matter, Avis.
Not remotely worth speculating. Many of the factors go well beyond whether people are willing to take the risk and go to enhanced travel limitations, e.g. pre-flight testing and quarantine. Example: prior to October 15, when Hawaii opened to tourism with strict pre-arrival testing to waive out of quarantine, travel to Hawaii was close to zero and there was almost no service. With the new scheme, travel is inching back. If the restrictions were put back in place, people would generally stop flying to Hawaii again, projected demand would drop again, and frequencies would be cancelled.
While this thread asks about domestic travel, good examples exist with respect to travel to other countries where rules have tightened and travel has dropped.
Not remotely worth speculating. Many of the factors go well beyond whether people are willing to take the risk and go to enhanced travel limitations, e.g. pre-flight testing and quarantine. Example: prior to October 15, when Hawaii opened to tourism with strict pre-arrival testing to waive out of quarantine, travel to Hawaii was close to zero and there was almost no service. With the new scheme, travel is inching back. If the restrictions were put back in place, people would generally stop flying to Hawaii again, projected demand would drop again, and frequencies would be cancelled.
While this thread asks about domestic travel, good examples exist with respect to travel to other countries where rules have tightened and travel has dropped.
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I'm heading to Vegas 11/25 - and several people have offered to meet me, who aren't even regular travelers. I think some people will cancel plans with places with high restrictions - many will still follow thru with plans - and perhaps some of the cancellations will be made up with low prices and people willing to pull the trigger.
If I look at the online newspaper and it states Vegas is shutting restaurants/bars and other significant restrictions - or if Hawaii ends the Safe Traveler program (both of which is a real possibility) - I will cancel my plans and go another time. This goes for people planning on going to California or Oregon - I'd just cancel given all the restrictions right now.
If I look at the online newspaper and it states Vegas is shutting restaurants/bars and other significant restrictions - or if Hawaii ends the Safe Traveler program (both of which is a real possibility) - I will cancel my plans and go another time. This goes for people planning on going to California or Oregon - I'd just cancel given all the restrictions right now.
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I think this will tend to vary heavily depending on the market. I don't really see those planning to visit relatives or friends for the holidays changing their plans at this point. Possibly those planning to go on vacation to places like California where restaurants are being shut down may choose a different location to travel to. Otherwise, I don't imagine there will be any major effects on December flying one way or the other.
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I think this will tend to vary heavily depending on the market. I don't really see those planning to visit relatives or friends for the holidays changing their plans at this point. Possibly those planning to go on vacation to places like California where restaurants are being shut down may choose a different location to travel to. Otherwise, I don't imagine there will be any major effects on December flying one way or the other.
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United has quite a few hubs located in cities/regions that are on the more restrictive side (thinking ORD, SFO, EWR, and to a lesser extent IAD). I wonder if that will increase or decrease travel out of those locations? I know quite a few people in California who have canceled Thanksgiving travel, but that's just anecdotal so no idea if it's a real trend. (Myself included incidentally, my stable is requiring people who travel out of state not to come to the barn for two weeks after return, and not willing to give up horseback for 2 weeks in exchange for a 1 week trip)
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Attempting our first flights in December . Last was in January when we were in Bangkok . The first CoVid 19 case was announced there day before our flight ..
BKK , was caught off guard , not prepared or ready with fingers & thumbs touch scans were still required at immigration on departure . No sanitizers provided then at counters either .
With HKG SIN air travel bubble ( ATB ) beginning in time for Thanksgiving , not that it is a holiday in Asia , on 22 November it will be interesting to see how everything pains out . At least no quarantine required , just bureaucratic protocol & 3 ‘ swabbings ‘ needed . So December is decent window to test it .
Hear some flights are already full . Only 200 passengers allowed each flight too .
Community spread is generally low ( or even none for a week in Singapore ) in these parts where masking up is a norm , or has become one .
Just having to bear with imported cases !!
BKK , was caught off guard , not prepared or ready with fingers & thumbs touch scans were still required at immigration on departure . No sanitizers provided then at counters either .
With HKG SIN air travel bubble ( ATB ) beginning in time for Thanksgiving , not that it is a holiday in Asia , on 22 November it will be interesting to see how everything pains out . At least no quarantine required , just bureaucratic protocol & 3 ‘ swabbings ‘ needed . So December is decent window to test it .
Hear some flights are already full . Only 200 passengers allowed each flight too .
Community spread is generally low ( or even none for a week in Singapore ) in these parts where masking up is a norm , or has become one .
Just having to bear with imported cases !!
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On the contrary, governments around the world are decreasing restrictions in general and there's no reason to think that will change. Most places are setttling on the standard covid test before entry which is not ideal but is fine for winter travel.
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We're 8 months in to this and people still are unable to grasp that individual actions have external results. And that's why we are exploding right now.

