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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 9:16 pm
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Go figure, I, that has no legal issues regarding going, don't feel the least bit atracted to it. A friend of mine went and he got increasingly pissed off with the constant "come on , give me some $= you are tourist , give us $" attitude (he didnt just stay in an all inclusive resort), bait and switch "the ride was x.....I never said it would cost 'y' ", fees to trade your Euros into Pesos and related bs (I guess I should be used to all that since we do it to the tourists too )
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 10:42 pm
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All you have to do is go there to "film" a "documentary", you'll be fine.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 10:51 pm
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I was invited to go to Cuba years ago. Invite came 18 months before the trip to deal with State Department stuff. I passed on it because I didn't have over a week to take off from work and I knew a good friend of mine from Cuba would have read me the riot act if she found out I was going there. It would have been cool though.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 1:49 am
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Not directly relevant to the OP, but CO and CO Connection fly scheduled service to Havana from MIA (at least I think they still do). Tickets cannot be purchased from CO and must be bought through travel agents licensed by the Dept of Treasury.

My girlfriend flew HAV-MIA on American. I went to pick her up at the airport and getting flight and gate info was like pulling teeth. Finally I was able to track it online.

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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 5:06 am
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I have been to Cuba many times in my role as a member of the media (one of the exceptions granted for travel to Cuba is for the media under the doctrine of freedom of the press contained in the First Amendment)

The travel restriction to Cuba applies to spending money in Cuba so I would agree with other posters that if CO were to sell a ticket that involved travel in (or through) Cuba, Continental could likely get in trouble, because, even though no Cuban carrier is involved, part of the ticket cost covers Cuban airport fees and taxes.

As far as whether the traveler on this itinerary could get in trouble, I am not a lawyer, but I would imagine the same principle would apply, namely that the traveler would have spent a portion of the ticket purchase on Cuban airport fees and taxes and thus violated U.S. law prohibiting spending in Cuba.

I would imagine that the actual trip to Cuba would not be an issue, simply the revenue transferred to the Cuban authorities through the ticket purchase.

Cuba is not only interesting because it is a stunning timewarp, but it also happens to be a gorgeous Caribbean island with very friendly people and wonderful beaches.

Cuba today is overrun with tourists from virtually the entire developed world, including legions of Canadians and Europeans. But there are precious few Americans, except for the occasional journalist, filmmaker, and those who take those organized tours usually through Mexico.

Those with relatives, of course, continue to be allowed to visit on humanitarian grounds. The irony is the Miami's Cuban community, which is vociferously anti-Castro, remains one of the more significant sources of hard-currency income for the island.

Someday the Castro brothers will no longer control Cuba and there will be some major changes.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 8:25 am
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how would CO respond?

Is the OP wiling to ticket the itinerary and see how CO responds? I personally think they will cancel the itinerary as they did on the other thread (BOS-DCA-SAN with a stopover).

This scenario is fascinating -- we might have our first FTer arrested simply for flying on an airline (without obstructing the crew from their duties)! Well, I don't want the OP to be arrested, but I would love to know CO's response.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 11:59 am
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Wow - people really go to Cuba? I'm soooo shocked... Personally... Like some of you have never met some of these "people" before..
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 4:02 pm
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Originally Posted by dergon darkhelm
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1097.html

ENTRY/EXIT REQUIREMENTS /TRAVEL TRANSACTION LIMITATIONS: The Cuban Assets Control Regulations are enforced by the U.S. Treasury Department and affect all U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located, all people and organizations physically located in the United States, and all branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world. The regulations require that persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction be licensed in order to engage in any travel-related transactions pursuant to travel to, from, and within Cuba. Transactions related to tourist travel are not licensable. This restriction includes tourist travel to Cuba from or through a third country such as Mexico or Canada. U.S. law enforcement authorities have increased enforcement of these regulations at U.S. airports and pre-clearance facilities in third countries. Travelers who fail to comply with Department of Treasury regulations could face civil penalties and criminal prosecution upon return to the United States.

No way.
Read more closely what you posted - what the OP is asking is for travel through Cuba to a third country. This does not appear to be addressed, though I still think it would not be acceptable.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 6:04 pm
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I'm fairly certain I have flown through Cuban airspace on CO93 before. Wouldn't that have involved being routed by Cuban air traffic controllers and presumably some fee paid by Continental to the Cuban government for using their airspace? How would paying fees to use Cuban airspace and air traffic control facilities be that much different than paying fees for using airport transit facilities? And if it is a problem, how does CO get away with using Cuban airspace?
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila
I'm fairly certain I have flown through Cuban airspace on CO93 before. Wouldn't that have involved being routed by Cuban air traffic controllers and presumably some fee paid by Continental to the Cuban government for using their airspace? How would paying fees to use Cuban airspace and air traffic control facilities be that much different than paying fees for using airport transit facilities? And if it is a problem, how does CO get away with using Cuban airspace?
I believe the overflight fee is around $40
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 7:00 pm
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CO still listed MIA-HAV on the flight monitors in MIA, last time I was there.

As a US citizen, working for a Canadian Co, selling INTO Cuba..i DREAD the phone call from the state dept every time a piece of equipment gets sold there!!! Ohhh..the allegations!!

And last i HEARD, the customs agents now HAVE to stamp ALL passports...but they may put a blank piece of paper in first!!
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 7:47 pm
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You don't have to go from Canada. There are other countries that don't bat an eye....:-:
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 8:08 pm
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I am thinking about a stealth DO.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by colpuck
I am thinking about a stealth DO.
Going to try to 'legal eagle' it in there?

Actually blogs are considered media these days, setup a legit blog and you can go on 1st amendment grounds ^
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 9:13 pm
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Gulfstream has HAV flights and Travel agencies approved by the US gov charter CO planes to and from HAV-MIA. I flew a CO plane back from HAV in 2002 when I went there. No ticket going to, from, or transiting HAV can be on 005 ticket stock, so I would be surprised if the system would let you complete that booking.
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