Leaving CO Due to 2009 Changes? Where to and Why?
#91
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Texas Hill Country
Programs: AS MVP Gold 75K, Hyatt Explorist, UA 1MM
Posts: 2,118
This multiple year PLT and SAT-based flyer is not happy with changes to OP program: No 500 mile minimum, stand-by fees, award ticket change fees.
100% of all my flying is leisure [ie. out of my own pocket]. I am currently booked to 50K with CO and will NOT be spending any additional funds toward PLT. My '09 lot [for better or worse] will be cast with UA and newly minted 1K status.
#92
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: eastern Europe & NC
Posts: 4,527
While the changes are certainly a negative, they are chump change compared to what DL has done to its ff'ers. I dread the thought of DL hijacking my NW miles and will do my best to redeam them before that happens. In the current business and political climate, I suspect the lousy DL takeover of NW will be approved, and I have no interest in going back to DL where I was gold medallion up until the Rob Borden reign of terror at SkyMiles. While CO does not look quite as good as it once did, it still looks better than other options. Dropping LGW for crappy LHR is, of course, another negative.
#93
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Houston
Programs: AA EXP; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, UA 1.56MM (fmr UA1K)
Posts: 5,771
Has the elimination of the elimination of the 500 mile minimum for elites changed anyone's mind about moving on?
Not me...the reduction of the miles bonus to 25% was the deal-killer for me. I can no longer justify breaking up my trips among two carriers...
Not me...the reduction of the miles bonus to 25% was the deal-killer for me. I can no longer justify breaking up my trips among two carriers...
#94
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: MFE / SAT
Programs: UA Premier Silver, Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Silver
Posts: 3,681
Well I was considering switching to AA but because of the 500 mile min staying in tact, I plan on staying with CO.
#95
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: TPA
Programs: CO Platinum HH Diamond SWA Hertz Gold
Posts: 67
The changes especially the reduction of the Platinum bonus from 125% to 100% certainly dilutes the advantage of Platinum over Gold. As a multi-year Platinum I've long gone out of my way to stay on CO metal, but this certainly reduces the incentive for staying on my favorite airlines metal and may increase my incentive to spend my funds on an alternative airline for status of multiple airlines instead insuring all my funds go to CO. Although i remain extremely loyal, I'm disappointed as I feel I'm being encouraged to spend my funds eleswhere. My CO miles are almost exclusively personal which increases the disappointment .
#96
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 2,734
I am shifting to AA - miles accrual is the same (100% bonus), but I like the free STBY, better availability or mileage redemption, lounge access on international flights as a llifetime PLAT (2 million miles from every source vs 4 million BIS with CO), $350 upgrade fees from the lowest fares on AA vs. $350 to $500 on CO. I used to buy H fares for my Europe flights and use miles to upgrade, but it is not worth it anymore.
#97
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: DCA
Programs: UA LT 1K, AA EXP, Bonvoy LT Titan, Avis PC, Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,659
The changes especially the reduction of the Platinum bonus from 125% to 100% certainly dilutes the advantage of Platinum over Gold. As a multi-year Platinum I've long gone out of my way to stay on CO metal, but this certainly reduces the incentive for staying on my favorite airlines metal and may increase my incentive to spend my funds on an alternative airline for status of multiple airlines instead insuring all my funds go to CO. Although i remain extremely loyal, I'm disappointed as I feel I'm being encouraged to spend my funds eleswhere. My CO miles are almost exclusively personal which increases the disappointment .
CO's 1MM program instantly rewards the SO the same status as the Elite member. So as long as you earn Plat status your SO will also be Plat. This is an immediate benefit once 1MM is achieved. While you may drop to Silver after your retire - you get the SO match now.
These items in my view are enough to make sticking with CO the thing to do. But each person needs to decide what works best for them. If you switch to AA - then stick with AA and earn 1MM or 2MM status with them.
#98
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 2,734
I would think the upgrade priority of a Plat over a Gold (at any fare code) is enough to make Plat status much more desirable than Gold. Not to mention the no change fee on reward tickets. Plus if you ever want to reach any of the MM status categories - you need to stick with one airline.
CO's 1MM program instantly rewards the SO the same status as the Elite member. So as long as you earn Plat status your SO will also be Plat. This is an immediate benefit once 1MM is achieved. While you may drop to Silver after your retire - you get the SO match now.
These items in my view are enough to make sticking with CO the thing to do. But each person needs to decide what works best for them. If you switch to AA - then stick with AA and earn 1MM or 2MM status with them.
CO's 1MM program instantly rewards the SO the same status as the Elite member. So as long as you earn Plat status your SO will also be Plat. This is an immediate benefit once 1MM is achieved. While you may drop to Silver after your retire - you get the SO match now.
These items in my view are enough to make sticking with CO the thing to do. But each person needs to decide what works best for them. If you switch to AA - then stick with AA and earn 1MM or 2MM status with them.
#99
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: DCA
Programs: UA LT 1K, AA EXP, Bonvoy LT Titan, Avis PC, Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,659
#100
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And will probably stay with CO after , but who knows I will be open to other ideas, it just does not seem to be better anywhere else.
#101
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Francisco/Tel Aviv/YYZ
Programs: CO 1K-MM
Posts: 10,763
I'm going to be focusing more on United. I'm going to get 1K this year and I'm looking forward to the numerous bennies: SWU, upgrades almost always clearing (even CONFIRMED upgrades on ps transcons), free SDC, no fees for rewards.
I was only going to try to hit gold on CO this year, but since CO isn't really differentiating Ag/Au, and I won't be getting upgrades anyways, might as well put more BIS miles into United.
I was only going to try to hit gold on CO this year, but since CO isn't really differentiating Ag/Au, and I won't be getting upgrades anyways, might as well put more BIS miles into United.
#102
Join Date: May 2003
Location: At This Point, Only G*d Knows!
Posts: 3,467
I tend to look at things fairly differently than most FTer's, these losses are inevitable and there are more lurking around the corner as all the major airlines circle the toilet and try to figure out ways to generate money without really upsetting the flying public. Honestly, I am shocked at how accepting people are of bag fees and paying for everything not bolted down to the actual aircraft.
Beyond that, I have no idea why CO is matching UA on so many fronts that it is getting harder to differentiate one from the other. (Maybe that it is the point) While the loss of a 25% RDM bonus is lamentable, it is not that big of a deal IMHO. What is a big deal is that I am potentially going to have to deal with UA (using their clubs in ORD/DEN/SFO/NRT and dealing with their generally poor front line staff) and that in of itself gives me pause about sticking with CO.
Granted, there is not one legacy carriers that is all roses and there are many that are far less desirable than CO, but as CO degrades their product and FF program more and more, there is less differentiation and for the first time I might let price dictate my loyalty.
In summation, I am going to stick with CO for now because I am not going to jump over to US and DL/NW does not really add much that CO does not already provide. AA is an option, but they really do not fly where I want to go and MIA is a pit.
Dan
Beyond that, I have no idea why CO is matching UA on so many fronts that it is getting harder to differentiate one from the other. (Maybe that it is the point) While the loss of a 25% RDM bonus is lamentable, it is not that big of a deal IMHO. What is a big deal is that I am potentially going to have to deal with UA (using their clubs in ORD/DEN/SFO/NRT and dealing with their generally poor front line staff) and that in of itself gives me pause about sticking with CO.
Granted, there is not one legacy carriers that is all roses and there are many that are far less desirable than CO, but as CO degrades their product and FF program more and more, there is less differentiation and for the first time I might let price dictate my loyalty.
In summation, I am going to stick with CO for now because I am not going to jump over to US and DL/NW does not really add much that CO does not already provide. AA is an option, but they really do not fly where I want to go and MIA is a pit.
Dan
#103
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Programs: Continental: Platinum, US Air: Platinum; Marriott: Gold
Posts: 78
I just switched (today) from US to CO, in the hopes of not taking it in the hindquarters from the sandfleas out in Tempe anymore. The CO program looks a LOT better. I considered DL and CO, and CO seems the better product.
#104
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Location: San Francisco/Tel Aviv/YYZ
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anything is better than US.
#105
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Houston
Programs: AA EXP; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, UA 1.56MM (fmr UA1K)
Posts: 5,771