Overbooking First Class
Jan 13, 2008 | 3:18 pm
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Overbooking First Class
This has been discussed here and at the DO's before, and the general understanding has been that F is never intentionally overbooked. Here, though, it looks like I've found at least one example where that's not the case. Check this flight out:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
CO is selling 9 seats out of a possible 8 in first on the 737-500. Does anyone else know of flights that are oversold up front?
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
Code:
IAH Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH] JFK New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK] SAT 01 Mar 2008 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- CO 821 IAH 16:50 JFK 21:27 735 0 A9 D9 Z9 R8 E1 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9 Q0 I9 S0 W9 T0 X9
Jan 13, 2008 | 3:28 pm
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I bet it's just a miscommunication between the fleet scheduling department and revenue management regarding what type of airplane will ultimately operate that flight.
Jan 13, 2008 | 3:49 pm
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I show that it's a 12 seater in FCLass.
Jan 13, 2008 | 3:51 pm
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Looks like the Apollo data is slightly out-of-sync:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]
Code:
IAH Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH] JFK New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK] THU 28 Feb 2008 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- CO 821 IAH 16:50 JFK 21:32 735 0 A8 D8 Z8 R2 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9
Jan 13, 2008 | 4:08 pm
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FWIW, I'm not sure what GDS source ExpertFlyer uses, but they were also showing a 735 and A9.
Interestingly, CO.com shows it as a 737-500 with 8 FC seats. Possible it's in the process of being changed, and all the systems haven't been updated yet.
Interestingly, CO.com shows it as a 737-500 with 8 FC seats. Possible it's in the process of being changed, and all the systems haven't been updated yet.
Jan 13, 2008 | 4:10 pm
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[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Amadeus Seat Map: 28 Feb 2008/CO 821/IAH-JFK/735/F]
Code:
A B | E F 1 + - + + 2 + + + + [+] Available [-] Unavailable [W] Wing [E] Exit Row
Jan 13, 2008 | 6:54 pm
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just checked shares and the aircraft type is a 737-500 and config is 12fc 112yc. Hope this helps
Jan 13, 2008 | 6:59 pm
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I wasn't aware that such a config existed in the CO fleet?? 733 maybe?
Jan 13, 2008 | 7:06 pm
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Jan 13, 2008 | 8:09 pm
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Jan 13, 2008 | 8:19 pm
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I still maintain what I wrote in post #2 (or something along those lines). 
Jan 13, 2008 | 9:24 pm
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AA used to routinely overbook First by 1 seat on domestic flights.
Jan 13, 2008 | 10:02 pm
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The 735 is like a cruel joke
I would love to see CO jettison the 735 from its fleet entirely. I cannot figure out why they fly those planes from EWR to a market like MIA, I'm really sick of it. 8 seats (2 rows) in FC, and the "bulkhead" is a weird fabric-y contraption, so the second row of FC reclines into the first row of coach. Pitiful.
Jan 14, 2008 | 8:15 pm
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They're working on it. In process.
Where do you suggest they fly them? They're currently a sizable portion of the fleet, so they have to be flown somewhere! Given that AA owns MIA, CO doesn't need to use equipment with large capacity. Fly to FLL if you want bigger planes with more FC seats...
A lot of airlines have this. I'm not sure why it matters so much. Are the folks in the Y bulkhead that much more prone to kicking your seat back when you're in row 2 compared to, say the folks behind you in FC if you were seated in row 1? Frankly, I like the curtain because it gives that row in Y more legroom which comes in handy to pre-book in case the upgrade doesn't clear...
I cannot figure out why they fly those planes from EWR to a market like MIA, I'm really sick of it.
8 seats (2 rows) in FC, and the "bulkhead" is a weird fabric-y contraption, so the second row of FC reclines into the first row of coach. Pitiful.
Jan 14, 2008 | 9:08 pm
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This has been discussed here and at the DO's before, and the general understanding has been that F is never intentionally overbooked. Here, though, it looks like I've found at least one example where that's not the case. Check this flight out:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
CO is selling 9 seats out of a possible 8 in first on the 737-500. Does anyone else know of flights that are oversold up front?
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
Code:
IAH Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH] JFK New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK] SAT 01 Mar 2008 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- CO 821 IAH 16:50 JFK 21:27 735 0 A9 D9 Z9 R8 E1 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9 Q0 I9 S0 W9 T0 X9