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OptionsCLE Jan 13, 2008 3:18 pm

Overbooking First Class
 
This has been discussed here and at the DO's before, and the general understanding has been that F is never intentionally overbooked. Here, though, it looks like I've found at least one example where that's not the case. Check this flight out:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
Code:

IAH  Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH]
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK]
SAT  01 Mar 2008

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------------------------
CO        821    IAH  16:50    JFK  21:27    735  0    A9 D9 Z9 R8 E1 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9 Q0 I9 S0 W9 T0 X9

CO is selling 9 seats out of a possible 8 in first on the 737-500. Does anyone else know of flights that are oversold up front?

ijgordon Jan 13, 2008 3:28 pm

I bet it's just a miscommunication between the fleet scheduling department and revenue management regarding what type of airplane will ultimately operate that flight.

sfogate Jan 13, 2008 3:49 pm

I show that it's a 12 seater in FCLass.

KVS Jan 13, 2008 3:51 pm

Looks like the Apollo data is slightly out-of-sync:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]
Code:

IAH  Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH]
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK]
THU  28 Feb 2008

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------
CO        821    IAH  16:50    JFK  21:32    735  0    A8 D8 Z8 R2 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9


ijgordon Jan 13, 2008 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 9061967)
Looks like the Apollo data is slightly out-of-sync:

FWIW, I'm not sure what GDS source ExpertFlyer uses, but they were also showing a 735 and A9.


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 9061957)
I show that it's a 12 seater in FCLass.

Interestingly, CO.com shows it as a 737-500 with 8 FC seats. Possible it's in the process of being changed, and all the systems haven't been updated yet.

KVS Jan 13, 2008 4:10 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 9062088)
Interestingly, CO.com shows it as a 737-500 with 8 FC seats. Possible it's in the process of being changed, and all the systems haven't been updated yet.

Seatmap data is, generally, always real-time and takes precedence over the A/C type in the availability data:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Amadeus Seat Map: 28 Feb 2008/CO 821/IAH-JFK/735/F]
Code:

      A  B    |  E  F     
 1    +  -        +  +     
 2    +  +        +  +     

[+] Available  [-] Unavailable  [W] Wing  [E] Exit Row


burghboys Jan 13, 2008 6:54 pm

just checked shares and the aircraft type is a 737-500 and config is 12fc 112yc. Hope this helps

star_world Jan 13, 2008 6:59 pm

I wasn't aware that such a config existed in the CO fleet?? 733 maybe?

burghboys Jan 13, 2008 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 9062895)
I wasn't aware that such a config existed in the CO fleet?? 733 maybe?

Its funny I just read effective 31jan06 all 737-500 aircraft have been configured with the new 8/106 seating. who knows?

CHIC SILBER Jan 13, 2008 8:09 pm

Correct
 

Originally Posted by burghboys (Post 9062926)
Its funny I just read effective 31jan06 all 737-500 aircraft have been configured with the new 8/106 seating. who knows?

All of CO's 735s are 8 up front

ijgordon Jan 13, 2008 8:19 pm

I still maintain what I wrote in post #2 (or something along those lines). :p

formeraa Jan 13, 2008 9:24 pm

AA used to routinely overbook First by 1 seat on domestic flights.

skipmnyc Jan 13, 2008 10:02 pm

The 735 is like a cruel joke
 
I would love to see CO jettison the 735 from its fleet entirely. I cannot figure out why they fly those planes from EWR to a market like MIA, I'm really sick of it. 8 seats (2 rows) in FC, and the "bulkhead" is a weird fabric-y contraption, so the second row of FC reclines into the first row of coach. Pitiful.

ijgordon Jan 14, 2008 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by skipmnyc (Post 9063763)
I would love to see CO jettison the 735 from its fleet entirely.

They're working on it. In process.


I cannot figure out why they fly those planes from EWR to a market like MIA, I'm really sick of it.
Where do you suggest they fly them? They're currently a sizable portion of the fleet, so they have to be flown somewhere! Given that AA owns MIA, CO doesn't need to use equipment with large capacity. Fly to FLL if you want bigger planes with more FC seats...

8 seats (2 rows) in FC, and the "bulkhead" is a weird fabric-y contraption, so the second row of FC reclines into the first row of coach. Pitiful.
A lot of airlines have this. I'm not sure why it matters so much. Are the folks in the Y bulkhead that much more prone to kicking your seat back when you're in row 2 compared to, say the folks behind you in FC if you were seated in row 1? Frankly, I like the curtain because it gives that row in Y more legroom which comes in handy to pre-book in case the upgrade doesn't clear...

UA Insider Jan 14, 2008 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by OptionsCLE (Post 9061753)
This has been discussed here and at the DO's before, and the general understanding has been that F is never intentionally overbooked. Here, though, it looks like I've found at least one example where that's not the case. Check this flight out:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
Code:

IAH  Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH]
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK]
SAT  01 Mar 2008

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------------------------
CO        821    IAH  16:50    JFK  21:27    735  0    A9 D9 Z9 R8 E1 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B0 O9 V0 U9 Q0 I9 S0 W9 T0 X9

CO is selling 9 seats out of a possible 8 in first on the 737-500. Does anyone else know of flights that are oversold up front?

Hi OptionsCLE, we do not intentionally oversell First Class on our domestic flights. Although our flight 821 is scheduled to be a 737-500 between Houston (IAH) and New York (JFK), it's currently planned to be substituted with a 737-700 on Mar. 1. Our 737-700s have 12 First Class seats, which would explain why you're currently seeing at least 9 seats for sale.


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