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Old May 22, 2007 | 6:32 pm
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Does anyone know why CO left ACY and is there any chance of them coming back considering traffic is up by 30% and EWR needs some refief (Not that ACY will do much)
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Old May 22, 2007 | 8:23 pm
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Originally Posted by EddieG
Does anyone know why CO left ACY and is there any chance of them coming back considering traffic is up by 30% and EWR needs some refief (Not that ACY will do much)

I am not sure they have room but Continental could do a good business at ACY. I know many people south of exit 109 like me that would much rather go to ACY then EWR. I like EWR it's just the hold ups taking off and landing are getting very old.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 8:34 pm
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Originally Posted by njshawn
I am not sure they have room but Continental could do a good business at ACY. I know many people south of exit 109 like me that would much rather go to ACY then EWR. I like EWR it's just the hold ups taking off and landing are getting very old.
I definitely agree. The question is would people be willing to go some places through ACY->CLE rather than straight from EWR?
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Old May 22, 2007 | 8:39 pm
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ACY is going to mostly pull from PHL traffic, and from EWR traffic to a lesser extent. CO won't fly there for the same reason that they don't fly to TTN. Based on where they'd be going (CLE and IAH as a VERY remote possibility) they figure their pax are more likely to go via EWR or just deal with the connection that they'll have out of PHL anyways. For the folks who who raather fly out of ACY than EWR, PHL is the other option that CO makes available. I doubt that CO is losing all that much business by not having service there.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 8:45 pm
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ACY= Atlantic City, before anyone (FCTSTY) asks.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 9:07 pm
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CO in ACY had everything against them.

To start the flights were at terrible times. They were not convenient for weekend AC trips and made for some long connection times.

Also the fligts were rediculously over priced. If you wanted to go to Atlantic city from cleveland it was like three to five times more than going to vegas. seriously. the prices were insane. This made the flights only connecting passengers in CLE didnt give any chance for O&D on the route. If continental had tried with more convenient times and cheaper fares they would have succeeded in ACY. I think the boost 30% you say is that DL has had great success in ACY even adding service to MCO non-stop and the area is growing. DL has much much more resonable fares out of ACY than continental had and much better timed flights actually giving the routes a chance to succeed.

another thing i think why DL has done so well in ACY and CO failed was that CO operated to the very small and limited CLE hub as DL is operating service to its super hub in ATL. DL actually cancelled the CVG flights and changed them to ATL and mco flights.

also i think TTN would be better for CO than ACY. Northern NJ is just full of CO FFs and looking for an alternate to EWR. I would definitly try TTN over newarks hours of delays sitting on the runway sometimes. ACY is not a real alternative to EWR and is a completely different market as it is far away and is really more of an alternate to PHL than it is to EWR. In the summer too it is way too far away with all that parkway traffic to be an alternate. I think CO would be fantastic in TTN and could survive in ACY if they tried with cheaper fares and well timed flights as people in south jersey need an airport as the recent passenger numbers are showing
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Old May 22, 2007 | 9:09 pm
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I think CO would more likely bring service to ACY than they would TTN.

After all, DL is currently servicing TTN now.

I'd rather see CO expand PHL operations before exploring ACY (or TTN) routes.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 9:22 pm
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TTN would simply be to please FFs in northern NJ with a less crowded, closer to your house alternate such as how CO serves multiple houston airports and how UA flys out of carlsbad california and AA services DAL etc etc. I agree with you though since DL seems to be doing well out of TTN no reason to put this on the priority list, but as EWR delays are getting worse and awful it is something that in the future might be a big hit to please high revenue FFs
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Old May 23, 2007 | 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by SkiUtah
TTN would simply be to please FFs in northern NJ with a less crowded, closer to your house alternate such as how CO serves multiple houston airports and how UA flys out of carlsbad california and AA services DAL etc etc. I agree with you though since DL seems to be doing well out of TTN no reason to put this on the priority list, but as EWR delays are getting worse and awful it is something that in the future might be a big hit to please high revenue FFs
From what I can gather, only the TTN-BOS flights are doing well. It seems that they have discontinued the TTN-ATL flight as of June 7. Two flights show up in Delta's flight schedule after June 7 but no frequency is listed. I could only book a TTN-ATL flight by making a connection in BOS. Someone on the Delta board said the last ATL flight he was on had 5 passengers. V

Very disappointing. I was hoping to fly from there in June. But, I do believe the Boston flights are doing well. They seem close to full when I have done some spot checking.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by SkiUtah
TTN would simply be to please FFs in northern NJ with a less crowded, closer to your house alternate such as how CO serves multiple houston airports and how UA flys out of carlsbad california and AA services DAL etc etc.
CO doesn't fly to HOU. They only offer service to IAH. However, they offer IAH service to EWR, JFK, and LGA. However, DL does service both IAH and HOU, but I'd bet HOU is limited to ATL service and not SLC....at least I've never seen HOU-SLC service all the times I have looked.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 2:53 pm
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There are plenty of CO FF's im Monmouth and Ocean County who would travel to ACY, 3 daily ERJ's to CLE from ACY and 3 daily DH-8-200s from TTN also to CLE.

It would give CO fliers another option.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by crnk
CO doesn't fly to HOU. They only offer service to IAH. However, they offer IAH service to EWR, JFK, and LGA. However, DL does service both IAH and HOU, but I'd bet HOU is limited to ATL service and not SLC....at least I've never seen HOU-SLC service all the times I have looked.
AA services both IAH and HOU as well (with HOU flights going to DFW only).
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Old May 23, 2007 | 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by STT757
There are plenty of CO FF's im Monmouth and Ocean County who would travel to ACY
i think that's the point. would continental (CO) simply cannibilize their newark (EWR) business by offering atlantic city (ACY) flights?
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Old May 23, 2007 | 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Weatherboy

I'd rather see CO expand PHL operations before exploring ACY (or TTN) routes.
Wonder WHY they got rid of PHL-EWR
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Old May 23, 2007 | 7:19 pm
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Originally Posted by PhillyPhlyer40
Wonder WHY they got rid of PHL-EWR

Most likely because its more convenient and cheaper for consumers to take Amtrak or New Jersey transit to Philly than take a plane.

That route was probably expense to run and not profitable.
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