This just highlights what the PC has become. It used to be an Executive Lounge for business travelers to work and conduct business - with access to fax, internet, copier, etc - hence the conference rooms and work cubicals. The liquor used to be self serve. Hence the name President's Club.

Now the PC has become a revenue lounge with bar, TV rooms, family rooms, etc. Not the quiet reserved place it used to be. Maybe the family areas need to be enlarged. I would suggest that admission be restricted to those over 18, but I do not want to be anti-family. Maybe the solution is to have restricted - adult only areas like the business areas.

If a client is that upset about the whole problem, he can go to Hell. Sometimes people just need to go with the flow.

As for the kid thing, I am still young, but I look forward (not anytime too soon) to having kid. I think it is the most rewarding experience.

As for traveling with 'junior' just keep an eye on him, bring coloring books or quite games to keep him busy. You need to plan for everything.

I know, I should just go kill myself now. There's really nothing to live for without kids.

The clients, and my boss, were just a bit upset because someone yelled "CACA" really loud and I started to laugh while talking about our presentation. Maybe it wouldn't have been so funny to me if they used the word "poop" or "fecal matter". Or even better, be a bit more discreet about the whole matter.

I found it very funny at the time that someone would loudly talk about "CACA" everywhere and they would yell about it in an area full of people on business calls (I'm assuming) on a Monday morning. I haven't even heard the word "CACA" since maybe grade school.

That is just the problem - too many people do not plan ahead and/or don't stop to think that their child's loud behavior might be obtrusive to others around them. I can not tell you how many times that I have seen parents basically ignore their kids as they ran around the PC or kicking the back of the seat in front of them. A screaming infant is one thing, out of control kids is completely another and it reflects poorly on the parents. This issue is problematic everywhere in public, not just in airports or planes. My favorite story is from a good friend - he was on a flight from the west coast and the child behind him thought it was a fun game to kick my friend's seat and pull his hair when he tried to ignore him and sleep. The mom's response when asked to control her monster? He's a kid, deal with it. Luckily a FA happened to be close and was kind enough to step in and suggest that the woman change seats.

I always compliment parents of children who act well during flights and even help out whenever I can, espescially when it is just one parent.

I admit that I would have laughed as well, which can tend to reflect poorly on a business call. Perhaps they should have used "dropped a deuce" or "poopy".

aparantly they do -
http://www.rideforlife.com/news/als_...e_victims.html

All right, that's OK then. Although you should have gotten the name of pharmaceutical rep and reported them to the FDA or whoever polices them... are they policed?

You talk as if these was reserved for kids. In fact when a child is loud, cries, or otherwise makes a scene there are usually some quick fixes food, engage in a discussion or play, or nap time.

What gets me is the adults who act like kids, can't be supervised by anyone, have a sense of entiltlement that greatly exceeds anything do them or others.

Can we keep them from spoiling my PC experience?

I always let people know I am in a public place when making the kinds of call the OP mentioned. Basically making them aware I am out here in the jungle so a heads up anything can happen!

Isnt that such the truth. I am just tired of the a'holes who think they are the center of the universe and everyone else revolves around them.

A toddler ("one who toddles") is usually someone just learning to walk and between the ages of one and two. Hard to believe that such a person is controlling the operation of an elevator door.

Only hard to believe it was done intentionally. An elevator door could be quite the toy( although not a safe one).

Thanks for the welcome. I will assume you really mean it.

I am doing exactly what you are suggesting, living my life and not interfering with others.
You and the OP on the other hand, are not doing it. You are suggesting how I take care of my children.

As for "being free". I have 5 kids so far, and I am freer than you are. You will understand one day. I repeat what I said in the other post, I hope for your wife and you that when the day comes it will not be too late.

If I had to choose between sitting in a PC, flying in first, and staying at the best suite in the best hotel, or sitting at the gate, flying in coach, and staying at Motel 6, I would take the option that has my kids with me over the option of having people like you with me.

And to reply to someone else: Yes, I do believe people with children are better than people without them.

If a client of mine would be upset about hearing me laugh about something a child did, I would look for a different profession.
This is my last post in this thread.

I never suggested that you should take care of your children a certain way. I don't even know you!

I never said that I think children should be banned from the club or any action at all. I was simply relaying something that happened to me. I think it was you taking things too personally. How do you deal with childless people out in the real word? Do they just drive you into a rage?

I know you're not talking about me, but that's very presumptuous for you to know what's best for people you have not ever met. Should I convert to your religion too? HAHA

I'm still glad I don't have kids and am very glad I don't have preachy parents. Your rants reminds me of this person: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCODIhAXbQM Hilarious that you're taking this so seriously.

HAHA...That's crazy.

Good.

I don't recall telling you how to take care of your children. Are you confusing me with someone else, or do you think all childfree people speak with the same voice?

I also don't recall the OP telling you how to take care of your children. Or were you the one in the PC Club screaming about caca?

I'm glad you think so. I'm not interested in playing dueling lifestyles. I don't care how you live. And how I live is none of your business unless my choices impact you in some way. They don't, so keep your judgmental criticism to yourself.

I'm over 50 -- hasn't happened yet, nor will it. Hasn't happened to my childfree friends in their 70s, nor will it. Considering you know absolutely nothing about me, your prediction is not particularly compelling.

That's good. I would take the option that involves not being near your kids. Works out quite well, doesn't it?

You've made that abundantly clear. I'm curious. Do you usually go into places you've never been and insult the people who are already there? Just curious, but it doesn't seem like a very good way to make friends. [edited to avoid an FT TOS violation -- but I really, really wanted to write it.]

Promise?

Wow. Botox, baby crap and the childed vs. the childfree! This thread is more interesting than the last few dinner parties I attended!

FWIW and waaaaay OT:

Botox is used for more than just wrinkles and cosmetic purposes. It is used for such diverse neuromuscular disorders as cervical (as in the neck) dystonia, different types of spasticity and for peripheral neuromuscular and pain disorders. It has to be injected in more than a few sites, so there is appropriate reimbursement and coding for it for Medicare. When I was in clinical practice, we had a few patients who were on it for an ophthalmic disorder called strabismus, and also for hemifacial ticks/spasms and palmar and axillary hyperhidrosis.

As for the kids vs. no kids, if you don't want children, don't have 'em. I have three sons, but kids aren't for everyone and no one should feel forced into having them. It is arrogant and stupid to believe that everyone wants or must have them. Parenting is no walk in the park, and all of the bullcrap about Kodak moments are just that--bullcrap. I have a number of friends and family who are childfree, and I would never dream of badgering them about their choice. Why would someone elses 'nads be anybody's business but theirs?

Flyer111--welcome to the board but please get off the cross. Someone needs the wood. Having children does not automatically confer wisdom, experience, insight or ability upon the parents. It just makes them parents and gives them responsibility for making sure they grow up as productive, law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, the law-abiding and productive seems to be secondary these days to so many irresponsible "parents".