Upgrading on NW using OnePass miles
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Upgrading on NW using OnePass miles
What are the rules for using OnePass miles to upgrade Northwest operated flights? Specifically:
1. Full Fares
I assume this is just Y fares. Do these book into Z?
2. Select Fares
I think B for long-haul and B, M, H, Q for North America. Do these book into I?
1. Full Fares
I assume this is just Y fares. Do these book into Z?
2. Select Fares
I think B for long-haul and B, M, H, Q for North America. Do these book into I?
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Depending on where you are going (Europe vs Asia) there might be a range of "Y" fares on NW, so it's best to think of Full Y, other Y and B. To Asia, there NW has YLE and YHE fares that are much. much cheaper than full Ys but upgrade at the reduced full Y mileage rate (they have a $100 change fee though). To asia, I often I see NW YLEs for only about $300 more than a NW B fare (which costs 2x miles to upgrade). I'd rather spend $300 to cut the miles in half as well as to insure easier upgrade availability. As you note, Ys upgrade to Z and Bs upgrade to I. If you peruse a fare bucket tool, you will see that I is very scarce, a few in advance and then others dumped as they realize the flight wont be full up front. All of the Y's are fairly easy to upgrade if you have +/- a day flexibility or are willing to consider slightly different routings (e.g., PDX-SIN is much more definite for upgrade than SEA-SIN).
I have more limited experiences with Europe, Y fares were pricey but fairly easy to upgrade, B fares could be really cheap, often sub $1k in the fall/winter, but ofter took tricks to get upgrades. NW uses married segments, so SEA-AMS might not have I space showing, but SEA-AMS-LHR does (even though SEA-AMS is the same plane!), so you may want to consider different destinations and using a LCC or train to patch your trip together.
I have more limited experiences with Europe, Y fares were pricey but fairly easy to upgrade, B fares could be really cheap, often sub $1k in the fall/winter, but ofter took tricks to get upgrades. NW uses married segments, so SEA-AMS might not have I space showing, but SEA-AMS-LHR does (even though SEA-AMS is the same plane!), so you may want to consider different destinations and using a LCC or train to patch your trip together.
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EWR-NBO V and T Fares on NWA
Originally Posted by stephem
Depending on where you are going (Europe vs Asia) there might be a range of "Y" fares on NW, so it's best to think of Full Y, other Y and B. To Asia, there NW has YLE and YHE fares that are much. much cheaper than full Ys but upgrade at the reduced full Y mileage rate (they have a $100 change fee though). To asia, I often I see NW YLEs for only about $300 more than a NW B fare (which costs 2x miles to upgrade). I'd rather spend $300 to cut the miles in half as well as to insure easier upgrade availability. As you note, Ys upgrade to Z and Bs upgrade to I. If you peruse a fare bucket tool, you will see that I is very scarce, a few in advance and then others dumped as they realize the flight wont be full up front. All of the Y's are fairly easy to upgrade if you have +/- a day flexibility or are willing to consider slightly different routings (e.g., PDX-SIN is much more definite for upgrade than SEA-SIN).
I have more limited experiences with Europe, Y fares were pricey but fairly easy to upgrade, B fares could be really cheap, often sub $1k in the fall/winter, but ofter took tricks to get upgrades. NW uses married segments, so SEA-AMS might not have I space showing, but SEA-AMS-LHR does (even though SEA-AMS is the same plane!), so you may want to consider different destinations and using a LCC or train to patch your trip together.
I have more limited experiences with Europe, Y fares were pricey but fairly easy to upgrade, B fares could be really cheap, often sub $1k in the fall/winter, but ofter took tricks to get upgrades. NW uses married segments, so SEA-AMS might not have I space showing, but SEA-AMS-LHR does (even though SEA-AMS is the same plane!), so you may want to consider different destinations and using a LCC or train to patch your trip together.
Am I reading something wrong here? Need expert advice.
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I believe there are some B fares that are considered "full fare" for upgrade purposes, but in general "full fare" means "full Y" (not just any Y).
Y fares upgrade into Z, B fares upgrade into I.
At least these are the rules for using NW miles to upgrade NW intercontinental metal. I assume the rules are similar if you're using CO miles (except you'll need to call CO to use your miles).
Y fares upgrade into Z, B fares upgrade into I.
At least these are the rules for using NW miles to upgrade NW intercontinental metal. I assume the rules are similar if you're using CO miles (except you'll need to call CO to use your miles).
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What economy NW select fare bases other than B are considered upgradeable using OnePass miles for North America flights?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
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Originally Posted by Colin
What economy NW select fare bases other than B are considered upgradeable using OnePass miles for North America flights?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
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NO surcharges apply when upgrading longhaul NWA/KLM flights on upgradeable Y/B fares using CO miles. The ticket is either upgradeable using miles, or it isn't, but in no event does CO collect extra money from the passenger as an upgrade surchage.
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Originally Posted by Colin
What are the rules for using OnePass miles to upgrade Northwest operated flights? Specifically:
1. Full Fares
I assume this is just Y fares. Do these book into Z?
2. Select Fares
I think B for long-haul and B, M, H, Q for North America. Do these book into I?
1. Full Fares
I assume this is just Y fares. Do these book into Z?
2. Select Fares
I think B for long-haul and B, M, H, Q for North America. Do these book into I?
For NA routes NWA uses "R" fare bucket for upgrades
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Originally Posted by Colin
What economy NW select fare bases other than B are considered upgradeable using OnePass miles for North America flights?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
B for sure, based upon the above posts. Also, M, H, Q and others?
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Originally Posted by socrates
for nonelites M & B for sure...H dont believe so, Q no
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Originally Posted by US1@ORF
To continue this thread with another question along the same lines, I'm new to CO's upgrade rules so based on what I read this morning if I book a fare in V or T and wish to upgrade, it appears as though I'll hav to shell out 40K in miles each way plus $450 each way per ticket. My wife and I are trying to book tickets to Kenya departing 1/6/07 and returning on 1/18/07 Newark, NJ to Narobi, Kenya. The fare today is $1,100 which is a great deal but adding another $900 per ticket to upgrade PLUS 80K iper ticket in miles seems a bit much to me. Yes, it's a bigger seat and better food but for the both of us to upgrade it would be $1,800 and 160K miles. Having a tough time being convinced of the value on that one.
Am I reading something wrong here? Need expert advice.
Am I reading something wrong here? Need expert advice.
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Originally Posted by themicah
I thought it was just T and K that were excluded. Or is that only for base members using WP miles and not OP miles?
Eligibility
Non-Elite WorldPerks members may no longer use miles to upgrade to First Class on domestic itineraries when purchasing Northwest T and K type fares or Continental V, Q, T, S and L type fares.

