New quest... [To avoid RJs]
Sep 15, 2006 | 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
CO does not fly any 737 configured for 127 passebgers in Y.
Its 737-800 without the midcabin lavatory (the workhorse of transcon out of EWR) is configured for 141 passengers in Y, Thus, this works out to 70.5 passengers per lav, almost 50% more pax per lav than on the ERJ.
The 737-800 without midcabin lav was fine for its original purpose, which was medium-haul routes. But when you have so many people sharing so few lavs for over 6 hours, it gets pretty brutal.
Its 737-800 without the midcabin lavatory (the workhorse of transcon out of EWR) is configured for 141 passengers in Y, Thus, this works out to 70.5 passengers per lav, almost 50% more pax per lav than on the ERJ.
The 737-800 without midcabin lav was fine for its original purpose, which was medium-haul routes. But when you have so many people sharing so few lavs for over 6 hours, it gets pretty brutal.
Sep 15, 2006 | 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by MBBGG
91 RJ segments (all but 4 since March 06) RJ Plat!
4 737 segments
And it doesn't get any easier with experience
4 737 segments
And it doesn't get any easier with experience
Dude, I would consider buying a gun and shooting myself after flight #60 on them...<g>
I think you are crowned the RJ King and should get Plat for life for that...
Sep 15, 2006 | 5:24 pm
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TWA Fan 1, thanks for the statistics on the different lavatories. I didn't realize that there was such a wide discrepancy on one configuration of the B737-800. I am lucky that I don't need to visit the lavatory during most flights.
Sep 16, 2006 | 4:44 am
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Backbreakers
Six and a half!!!! OMG!! Three and one-half hours on an ERJ, ORF-IAH, are torture enough. I'll do ANYTHING to route myself out of that one. I'm small (5'3") but can barely walk or turn my head/neck after that route.
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
LOL
Funny thing, to me, as bad as the RJ's are, I think CO's 737's in coach on a transcon are worse.
Think about:
On an ERJ you have 31" seat pitch, no middle seats, much more comfortable leather seats and 1 lavatory for 50 pax.
On the CO 737-800's (mainly what is flown transcon out of EWR on CO) you have the same brutal 31" seat pitch, one third of the seats are middle seats, and there are only two lavatories for 141 pax.
That is my dfefinition of dreadful...
At leasst the ERJ's aren't capable of flying 6 and a half hours they way the 738's do.
Funny thing, to me, as bad as the RJ's are, I think CO's 737's in coach on a transcon are worse.
Think about:
On an ERJ you have 31" seat pitch, no middle seats, much more comfortable leather seats and 1 lavatory for 50 pax.
On the CO 737-800's (mainly what is flown transcon out of EWR on CO) you have the same brutal 31" seat pitch, one third of the seats are middle seats, and there are only two lavatories for 141 pax.
That is my dfefinition of dreadful...
At leasst the ERJ's aren't capable of flying 6 and a half hours they way the 738's do.
Sep 16, 2006 | 4:49 am
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I don't know what it is about the RJs that just make it such a horrible experience. Maybe it's the idea of flying in such a small tube filled with gas or increased feeling of chop that just makes me feel turned off by them. Either way, I've only flown three RJ segments this year (thankfully, being based in HNL means no RJs out of home 
-- yet. 
), 2 on CO and 1 on DL. All three flights not the least bit enjoyable. And, a continuing commitment to stay on mainline flights by this traveler.
-- yet. ), 2 on CO and 1 on DL. All three flights not the least bit enjoyable. And, a continuing commitment to stay on mainline flights by this traveler.
Sep 16, 2006 | 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by ContinentalFan
TWA Fan 1, thanks for the statistics on the different lavatories. I didn't realize that there was such a wide discrepancy on one configuration of the B737-800. I am lucky that I don't need to visit the lavatory during most flights.
You end up with someone's elbow rubbing against your face, or, worse yet, someone's posterior.
Don't get me wrong, a third lavatory would not miraculously make this queue vanish, but there would be fewer pax/lav and the line in the rear would be shorter as about one third of the pax would choose the mid-cabin lav.
Sep 16, 2006 | 9:40 am
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When you are seated in an ERJ, there is definetly more elbow and shoulder room than the mainline planes. They aren't that load, quiter than a DC-9, well maybe not the screaming APUs some of them have.
Lavs take up room which means they take up seats. The earlier 757's (not the type CO has) use to have two more lavs in the rear for a total of 6. Those have long since been removed for an extra row of seats.
Lavs take up room which means they take up seats. The earlier 757's (not the type CO has) use to have two more lavs in the rear for a total of 6. Those have long since been removed for an extra row of seats.
Sep 16, 2006 | 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by Olton Hall
When you are seated in an ERJ, there is definetly more elbow and shoulder room than the mainline planes. They aren't that load, quiter than a DC-9, well maybe not the screaming APUs some of them have.
Lavs take up room which means they take up seats. The earlier 757's (not the type CO has) use to have two more lavs in the rear for a total of 6. Those have long since been removed for an extra row of seats.
Lavs take up room which means they take up seats. The earlier 757's (not the type CO has) use to have two more lavs in the rear for a total of 6. Those have long since been removed for an extra row of seats.
What's sad is that no CoEx RJ is as uncomfortable as the 737's CO flies tanscon out of EWR.
The RJ have more comfortable leather seats, the same industry-minimum 31" seat pitch. The RJ's have no middle seats and much larger windows.
Yes, the environment is narrower, but I find the packed-to-the-rafters CO 737's on a transcon far more dreadful, especially if I book late and land a middle seat.
Sep 16, 2006 | 12:12 pm
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I have about 41 RJ segments so far this year...almost exclusively within Texas.
I don't minf the RJ's, and if I can snag 12A, I actually enjoy flyign on them. Hey, it's better than WN....
I don't minf the RJ's, and if I can snag 12A, I actually enjoy flyign on them. Hey, it's better than WN....
Sep 16, 2006 | 1:10 pm
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I find that I usually end up with a headache if I take an RJ flight that's more than an hour in duration.
Sep 16, 2006 | 1:17 pm
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Best strategy for avoiding RJ's in the Midwest: www.nwa.com
Sep 20, 2006 | 1:31 pm
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I've flown on RJs 291 times this year.
260 on the 145.
19 in and out of Canada
17 in and out of Mexico
21 duration under 1 hour
158 1:00-1:59
84 2:00-2:59
26 3:00-3:59
2 4hrs and more
260 on the 145.
19 in and out of Canada
17 in and out of Mexico
21 duration under 1 hour
158 1:00-1:59
84 2:00-2:59
26 3:00-3:59
2 4hrs and more
Sep 20, 2006 | 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by I Love Middle Seats
I've flown on RJs 291 times this year.
260 on the 145.
19 in and out of Canada
17 in and out of Mexico
21 duration under 1 hour
158 1:00-1:59
84 2:00-2:59
26 3:00-3:59
2 4hrs and more
260 on the 145.
19 in and out of Canada
17 in and out of Mexico
21 duration under 1 hour
158 1:00-1:59
84 2:00-2:59
26 3:00-3:59
2 4hrs and more
Sep 20, 2006 | 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by TVCMH
Best strategy for avoiding RJ's in the Midwest: www.nwa.com
Sep 20, 2006 | 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
And if you have to fly an NW RJ, how about the Avro-85, with its spacious cabin, and 16 FC seats? It's the quietest plane in the sky and it has the unique feature of having no reverse thrusters on its engines.