CO 1E

Standing on its own, I don't think CLE would have any more O/D traffic to CDG than it did to LGW. When considering the increased Skyteam connection possibilities through CDG, however, I would expect more O/D traffic.

socrates

Is there really that much demand? I mean NW & AF both operate CDG<->DTW (rumor has it they will begin codesharing shortly)

JBLUA320

CDG may have strong connections from AF -- but from what I understand, Philips may be having some premium traffic from the Greater Cleveland area to Amsterdam - and I think that 757 should be going to Amsterdam, unless CO is mad at KL, and wants to give the feed to AF, while losing the convenience for Philips.
-Mr. X

cakcle

I am still waiting for CLE-PDX

MBM3

While I personally would like this flight as I love Oregon, I just dont see the demand. SEA seems like it struggles, and there is cruise ship demand from their port.

channa

Oregon is great, but the PDX'ers are almost as annoying as the CLE'ers in terms of whining for service from their small town.

MBM3

While Philips certainly has a presence in the area, there are other companies such as Lubrizol who have a facilities in France. Ultimately, either AMS or CDG would do great for business in Cleveland and the region. Yeah, I know O/D seems to rule the industry, but IMHO connection opportunities and convenient schedules play a valuable role in obtaining lucrative BF customers.

MBM3

If I didn't like you.....



I dont whine, I just make suggestions....

J.Edward

Hey now! I used to be a PDX'er back in the day. Come to think of it, I still am when it comes to purchasing... but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, w/r/t CLE-PDX service - and CLE-West Coast Service in general - perhaps we'd see more if CO operated the EMB's. Small jet, just beneath 100 seats (2 FA�s vis-�-vis the 735�s 3), the ability to do mid-cons, FC, etc. Oh well, there's always hoping!

PS> If anyone's looking for a good meal in PDX, check out the Portland City Grill. Tasty food, great views and an awesome bar!

Don'tGoThere

That was funny the first time someone wrote it....but now, it is just plain idiotic!

MBM3

On a more serious note, I really do not think CLE needs - or can support - any additional west coast destinations. Perhaps at least a seasonal SAN flight for more than a couple weeks and more frequency to SFO, but I think we are pretty well covered now. I think a morning CO flight to SLC would be a nice compliment to the afternoon DL flight (which has grown from the EMB170 to an MD80), but I dont see a great need for many other flights to the west.

RNE

Agreed! But AMS is a great destination too! I am taking Mrs. RNE on a surprise birthday trip to AMS in April. She loves tulips. Mum's the word at the CLE Do, of course. (Like that play on flower words?)

radonc1

Unless CO is mad at KL, and wants to give the feed to AF, while losing the convenience for Philips.

I'm a bit confused. I thought AF and KL were one organization. If so, what would it matter if you connected to an AF flight in CDG or a KL flight in AMS. The money would all go to the same company, wouldn't it?

J.Edward

Another interesting point is the NW/KL (NW/KL+AF ??) Atlantic code-share. If memory serves (and please correct me if I'm mistaken) both Northwest and KLM achieved immunity from antitrust laws for these flights.

In other words, from our perspective this equates to 100% code-sharing - however from their perspective this equates to revenue pooling, joint pricing strategies, relegating American based FF'ers to WP, etc.

So to answer your question about monies going to the same company (AF+KLM) for a NW or KL operated CLE - AMS -_ _ _ flight, I think the revenue would be split between NW and KL per the terms of the code-sharing agreement. Now, if you flew CLE � CDG � _ _ _ on a CO metal flight that was not code-shared, I think CO would exclusively retain the revenue for the CLE-CDG portion than split it with AF for the CGD - _ _ _ sector.

Now as you know AF and KL have merged so keeping track of who�s revenue it is seems mute as any profit (haha) would be passed on to shareholders (bwahahahahaha) who do not distinguish AF revenue from KLM revenue.

Just a guess in the dark. <shrugs>

One final point: this contrast well with the point raised on the recent thread regarding AA/BA being able to offer FF benefits to each other�s elites on the Atlantic sector. Unlike NW/KL, AA/BA were not granted immunity for code-sharing (again, think revenue pooling, joint pricing, requiring American based FF'ers to be in AAdvantage, etc. -- essentially a "virtual" merger) and therefore lack the ability to... umm... let's see... what's a good euphemism ... "harmonize" their strategies.

(�or from our perspective, bending over and grabbing our ankles)

Neat stuff.

cova

CLE-CDG likely makes more sense than CLE-LGW - as CDG is a SkyTeam hub and allows transfers to other SkyTeam flights within Europe. LGW is pretty much deadhead.

Also, with all the new security in the UK - connecting passengers likely would prefer to connect in CDG rather than LGW.

Now the issue of flying say DCA-CLE-CDG (RJ+752) versus DCA-EWR-CDG (735+777) - not sure - I still prefer the 735+777 combo.