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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 11:58 am
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I think all of us want a quick, peaceful and fair resolution to this issue as soon as possible.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 6:05 am
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So is there a solution?
Yes, there is a solution. Get rid of LARRY LORENZO and the rest of his greedy bast@sds.

The days of " Dignity and respect" is over. He has shown such disrespect for the Flight Attendants, as well as the rest of the employees that made CO a great place to work.

As cigarman challenged Larry with a bet to have the "DO" with the FT members, I would love to see Larry work a 4 day trip as a FA, to see what he is really made of. I bet he wouldn't last a day in My heels. Long days, lots of sit time, delays, short layovers, where we barely get a nap. Then put up with a full flight EWR-PBI, with all the "I am so special wannabees". Or the EWR-LAS "trailer trash".

Come on Larry, show us how to do it with "Dignity and Respect.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:38 am
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Yes, there is a solution. Get rid of LARRY LORENZO and the rest of his greedy bast@sds.

The days of " Dignity and respect" is over. He has shown such disrespect for the Flight Attendants, as well as the rest of the employees that made CO a great place to work.

As cigarman challenged Larry with a bet to have the "DO" with the FT members, I would love to see Larry work a 4 day trip as a FA, to see what he is really made of. I bet he wouldn't last a day in My heels. Long days, lots of sit time, delays, short layovers, where we barely get a nap. Then put up with a full flight EWR-PBI, with all the "I am so special wannabees". Or the EWR-LAS "trailer trash".

Come on Larry, show us how to do it with "Dignity and Respect.
I'll put in my $.02. If the uppers keep messing with morale, i am going to resign from this company and go work for WN. And don't tell me you will work harder and they will start losing money when the hedges are gone etc and... BULL****! They have more assets then all majors put together and they have always treated their employees with dignity and respect. They are paid fair wages and enjoy coming to work. I would hate to leave here because i love my coworkers, but i will NOT go through the BS again. BEEN there DONE that! I will take the customer service skills i've learned during the Gordon years and put it to use at an airline that will appreciate me. (The customer service machine!) Southwest here i come!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by CalFlyGAL
Or the EWR-LAS "trailer trash".

Come on Larry, show us how to do it with "Dignity and Respect.
The same kind of dignity and repect you just showed the EWR-LAS pax??

Sheesh.

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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by CalFlyGAL
I would love to see Larry work a 4 day trip as a FA, I bet he wouldn't last a day in My heels.

Talk about an unpleasant visualization!
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by CalFlyGAL
Or the EWR-LAS "trailer trash".
Yikes!

My parents fly that route about once per year (as revenue passengers, no less). I really hope you're not their FA the next time they head that way...

That dignity and respect thing goes both ways, you know. Trashing the people who make our paychecks possible is not the best way to go about earning it yourself.

Just my opinion, though.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by flymeaway
Yikes!

My parents fly that route about once per year (as revenue passengers, no less). I really hope you're not their FA the next time they head that way...

That dignity and respect thing goes both ways, you know. Trashing the people who make our paychecks possible is not the best way to go about earning it yourself.

Just my opinion, though.
Based on the four EWR-LAS trips I've taken this year I'd say "trailer trash" is pretty much spot on for quite a few passengers. During my last trip there was a large family (at least three generations) that was so completely annoying that people were still talking about them at baggage claim. They were:
  • Yelling across the aisle at each other (If I hear anyone yell, "Hey, Anthony..." again I'll lose it)
  • Loudly talking and singing
  • Jumping up and down and switching seats
  • Pulling on the seats to get up and stretch
  • Kicking the seats of those in front of them (particularly those who politely asked them to be quiet)
  • Getting up when they were not supposed to (during taxi to the runway)
  • Taking flash pictures many, MANY times -- including taking them out the window.
Need I say more? No. The FAs were (as usual) completely professional. They are entitled to have opinions too.

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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:01 pm
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I have unfortunately lived through some contract negotiations as a member of a collective bargaining unit and, IMHO, the stewards and negotiators hadnt the slightest damn clue as to what was important to Joe and Jane Employee and certainly did their best to foster an adversarial relationship with management. Perhaps it was self interest, perhaps it was other things.
I have seen this as well. The people in the union management are often quite distanced from those working at the company and rely on an "us versus them" attitude to connect themselves with the members.

Unions and collective bargaining have their place IMO, as they are only things protecting workers from 100% shareholder focused companies. (IE with no concern for employees) Unions also raise non-union wages by pure comparison. The first thing a labor consultant will often tell a company in danger of unionization is to raise working standards immediatly.

I hope some compromise is found. I know CO needs to stay compedative, but they have to remember that if the FA are scowling at everyone (like the NW labor problems several years ago) pax will walk. I didnt fly NW for a year or two following the last issue they had. The FAs kept taking their issues out on the passengers and it sucked. I empathized with the NW FAs, but I am not masochistic and didnt hang around.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:23 pm
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The FAs were (as usual) completely professional. They are entitled to have opinions too.
Oh sure we all have opinions - but don't you think the response would be a bit different if the group being trashed were elite FF's? I have heard plenty of opinions of you guys floating around, too! But probably most are wise enough to keep that to galley gossip amongst each other rather than air it in a passenger forum.

It is well known that the Vegas crowd are amateur flyers, generally speaking. I'm definitely not arguing that! Not much different than Orlando, and most other FL destinations. Many just don't yet know the etiquette, and probably won't fly often enough to learn it. I suppose I just don't think that warrants a public bashing.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:51 pm
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"They are entitled to have opinions too."

So, we're fine with the FA's thinking (and, more importantly posting) "trailer trash"?? How bout "Muslim towelheads"?? How bout "ghetto Blacks"?? How bout "drunk Irish"?? On and on and on.

My God, this is astonishing.

Gobsmaked.

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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 8:42 am
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Hey -- they can post whatever they want. This is a free and open forum and what was posted is well within the rules. If that lowers your opinion of those who post such things then so be it.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 12:27 pm
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Based on the four EWR-LAS trips I've taken this year I'd say "trailer trash" is pretty much spot on for quite a few passengers. During my last trip there was a large family (at least three generations) that was so completely annoying that people were still talking about them at baggage claim. They were:
  • Yelling across the aisle at each other (If I hear anyone yell, "Hey, Anthony..." again I'll lose it)
  • Loudly talking and singing
  • Jumping up and down and switching seats
  • Pulling on the seats to get up and stretch
  • Kicking the seats of those in front of them (particularly those who politely asked them to be quiet)
  • Getting up when they were not supposed to (during taxi to the runway)
  • Taking flash pictures many, MANY times -- including taking them out the window.
Need I say more? No. The FAs were (as usual) completely professional. They are entitled to have opinions too.

Sorry, I didn't mean to bash anyone. But those flights usually have the most drama. Most Passengers are great going to LAS, but there ARE many who can only be discribed as "trailer trash". There are very few flying proffessionals aboard. Even in first class there are those who cause much drama.

The show "Airline" pales in comparison to what I have witnessed on EWR-LAS flights.
Verbal attacks between passengers in 1st. Drunken passengers (liquor brought on by passengers and secretly consumed with out the FAs knowledge, until they were very drunk). Lively pre-Bachelor partys, though most have been fun. Couples arguing on the way home after he/she gambled/drank too much.

I truely didn't mean to bash or offend any one one here. Most those that would fall into that catagory would probably not be surfing on here.

So, if I did offended anyone here, I am truely sorry.
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