Props returning to CLE
Feb 10, 2003, 12:28 pm
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Props returning to CLE
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030210/dam033_1.html
Are these new routes or routes that were previously discontinued?
Are these new routes or routes that were previously discontinued?
Feb 10, 2003, 12:58 pm
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Wait a sec -- the back page of my February 2003 CO "Elite Update" newsletter states in LARGE type
Yet the Yahoo article cited above says
I gues codeshare flights only count as your own flights when it's convenient. It looks to me like yet another enhancement.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">All jets. More cities. Today's Continental Express.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Continental codeshare partner CommutAir will operate the flights with a modern fleet of fast, efficient 19-seat turboprop aircraft with all-leather seats.</font>
Feb 10, 2003, 1:09 pm
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That's because this is Continental Connection, not Continental Express.
Feb 10, 2003, 1:12 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by xyzzy:
It looks to me like yet another enhancement.</font>
It looks to me like yet another enhancement.</font>
Feb 10, 2003, 1:17 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AS Flyer:
The term "enhancement" has lost any humor and is no longer funny or amusing any longer - LET IT GO. It's just not funny anymore. It's dull and shows an extreme lack of creativity. Beating a dead horse. How else can I say it?</font>
The term "enhancement" has lost any humor and is no longer funny or amusing any longer - LET IT GO. It's just not funny anymore. It's dull and shows an extreme lack of creativity. Beating a dead horse. How else can I say it?</font>
Feb 10, 2003, 1:22 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AS Flyer:
The term "enhancement" has lost any humor and is no longer funny or amusing any longer - LET IT GO. It's just not funny anymore. It's dull and shows an extreme lack of creativity. Beating a dead horse. How else can I say it?</font>
The term "enhancement" has lost any humor and is no longer funny or amusing any longer - LET IT GO. It's just not funny anymore. It's dull and shows an extreme lack of creativity. Beating a dead horse. How else can I say it?</font>
Feb 10, 2003, 1:54 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid:
Nothing conveys the extreme, doublefaced BULLSPIT of Continental and it backwards management as well as "enhanced". Please use the term 'till their management chokes on it.</font>
Nothing conveys the extreme, doublefaced BULLSPIT of Continental and it backwards management as well as "enhanced". Please use the term 'till their management chokes on it.</font>
Feb 10, 2003, 2:11 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by MEBenson:
I could not agree more! </font>
I could not agree more! </font>
Of course it says today's COex, not tomorrow's
! Also, oh-so-thank-U to Timf for the Express vs. Connection distinction 
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Feb 10, 2003, 3:41 pm
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This announcement is a very positive thing for Continental passengers.
Of course, if the marketing gurus continue to use the "All Jet, All the Time" slogan I will be a bit displeased. For Joe Passenger, that just isn't true. Continental Connection is Continental to him.
As for the term "enhancement," I don't know if it is meant to be funny or not. Continental marketing invented this euphemistic term. People on the board use it in the correct context. I'm not sure what the problem is (beyond the fact that we've all been enhanced so frequently over the last couple years).
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"We will not cut benefits from OnePass, our industry-leading frequent flyer program, because we remain committed to rewarding our most loyal customers."
-- Gordon Bethune (Continental's CEO) two weeks before significantly cutting benefits of the OnePass program
Of course, if the marketing gurus continue to use the "All Jet, All the Time" slogan I will be a bit displeased. For Joe Passenger, that just isn't true. Continental Connection is Continental to him.
As for the term "enhancement," I don't know if it is meant to be funny or not. Continental marketing invented this euphemistic term. People on the board use it in the correct context. I'm not sure what the problem is (beyond the fact that we've all been enhanced so frequently over the last couple years).
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"We will not cut benefits from OnePass, our industry-leading frequent flyer program, because we remain committed to rewarding our most loyal customers."
-- Gordon Bethune (Continental's CEO) two weeks before significantly cutting benefits of the OnePass program
Feb 10, 2003, 4:53 pm
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To answer the original question asked....
AZO, PIT and ERI have all had CO service from CLE in the past. PIT and AZO had RJ service, but I think ERI got cut when COEX dropped props. I think CommutAir has a maintenance base in ELM, hence the new service there.
As for the "all Jet" reference... In the past, CO referred to the individual hubs as "all jet". The props were removed from EWR, IAH and CLE. But they never completely left.
AZO, PIT and ERI have all had CO service from CLE in the past. PIT and AZO had RJ service, but I think ERI got cut when COEX dropped props. I think CommutAir has a maintenance base in ELM, hence the new service there.
As for the "all Jet" reference... In the past, CO referred to the individual hubs as "all jet". The props were removed from EWR, IAH and CLE. But they never completely left.
Feb 11, 2003, 12:51 am
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My question is; Are these planes even cheaper to operate than an RJ? With only 19 passengers I could not think they would be real profitable. I guess they are equivalent to the SAAB's NW flies?
Feb 11, 2003, 12:53 am
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Operating costs on a twin engine turboprop is significantly cheaper than any jet.
Feb 11, 2003, 2:55 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by wldtrvlr:
...With only 19 passengers I could not think they would be real profitable.</font>
...With only 19 passengers I could not think they would be real profitable.</font>