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CUSTOMDIRECT Feb 17, 06 4:34 pm

Vulcan,

Not only do they show it, the info is "dead-on" accurate. Knowledge is power and this tool has helped in my decision making and thus saved me from coach.

I don't not know how KVS get's the R bucket since I use Amadeus Professional GDS in my office on which R is hidden but KVS does show it in the *AUA version.

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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Does Amadeus really show "R". I thought it was hidden and internal to CO only?


carpboy Feb 17, 06 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by KVS
cobrax333 is correct -- you can't limit the results to a specific airline with the Amadeus method.

I am not questioning the ability to limit to a specific carrier; I am questioning the rationale in what flights/carriers are displayed. Does anyone know the scheme as to, in this example, what flights are to be displayed?

I find it very very strange that this city pair yields nothing but UA/US with a single DL and FL thrown in. Why a single DL, what with their hourly PHl-ATL service and probably the same on to JAX?

On the surface, something doesn't look rigtht and I suspect a bias. Perhaps there are other constricting criteria, maybe something silly like max 60 min. layover or something like that, I don't know. But on the surface, it does not look like a fair representation of flights.

CUSTOMDIRECT Feb 17, 06 11:59 pm

Here's the pecking order on intl BF buckets:

E: General standard mileage awards

F: Platinum standard mileage awards

P: Easy pass Mileage awards

R: All mileage cash-in awards on revenue tix.

Of course, there is no Intl EUA.





Originally Posted by xyzzy
It can happen, it just isn't used for EUA. I have no idea what it is used for on such itineraries.


KVS Feb 18, 06 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by carboy
On the surface, something doesn't look rigtht and I suspect a bias. Perhaps there are other constricting criteria, maybe something silly like max 60 min. layover or something like that, I don't know. But on the surface, it does not look like a fair representation of flights.

I don't believe there is any significant carrier bias in the Amadeus results, as they look very similar to the results from other GDS systems (e.g. Apollo). It may appear that there is an unfair bias toward US in these results, but that is because:

(a) US is the only carrier that has non-stop flights on this route, so its flights are listed first (taking 7 out of the 20 spots);
(b) There is no way to limit results to a specific carrier in Amadeus, so only 20 out of possible, say, 1000 combinations are shown.

[KVS Availability Tool - Amadeus: AUA]
Code:

PHL  Philadelphia Metro / Philadelphia Int'l PA US = PHL TTN [KPHL]
JAX  Jacksonville Int'l FL US [KJAX]
WED  01 Mar 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------
US        1099  PHL  07:35    JAX  10:04    733  0  F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
UA/US    2374  PHL  07:35    JAX  10:04    733  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
US        783    PHL  11:50    JAX  14:12    320  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H7 Q4 V2 L1 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
UA/US    2196  PHL  11:50    JAX  14:12    320  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0
US        983    PHL  16:20    JAX  18:35    320  0  F7 P6 A4 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
UA/US    2289  PHL  16:20    JAX  18:35    320  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
US        836    PHL  18:00    JAX  20:28    733  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
UA/US    2216  PHL  18:00    JAX  20:28    733  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
UA/US    2074  PHL  15:20    CLT  17:00    320  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
 -> UA/US 2492  CLT  17:30    JAX  18:48    734  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0
US        171    PHL  15:20    CLT  17:00    320  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W4 S3 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    1261  CLT  17:30    JAX  18:48    734  0  F9 P8 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W4 S3 T0 K0 N0
US        890    PHL  05:30    CLT  07:04    734  0  F7 P6 A5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
 -> US    1242  CLT  08:05    JAX  09:24    319  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
UA/US    2246  PHL  05:30    CLT  07:04    734  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
 -> UA/US 2427  CLT  08:05    JAX  09:24    319  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
US        11    PHL  17:35    DCA  18:39    734  0  F5 P4 A3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W5 S3 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    533    DCA  19:30    JAX  21:33    319  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W5 S3 T0 K0 N0
UA        7126  PHL  19:36    IAD  20:49    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0
 -> UA    7311  IAD  21:30    JAX  23:34    CR7  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T0 K4 L0 G0
US        7463  PHL  19:36    IAD  20:49    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    7522  IAD  21:30    JAX  23:34    CR7  0  F4 A4 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
US        7464  PHL  10:24    IAD  11:30    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 L4 W4 S0 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    7519  IAD  12:21    JAX  14:26    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
UA        7144  PHL  10:24    IAD  11:30    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L0 G0
 -> UA    7304  IAD  12:21    JAX  14:26    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0
UA/US    2347  PHL  16:45    CLT  18:27    734  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0
 -> UA/US 2171  CLT  19:30    JAX  20:49    734  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0
US        71    PHL  16:45    CLT  18:27    734  0  F5 P4 A3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V8 L6 W1 S0 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    281    CLT  19:30    JAX  20:49    734  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V8 L6 W1 S0 T0 K0 N0
DL        465    PHL  10:40    ATL  13:02    757  0  F9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9
 -> DL    403    ATL  13:39    JAX  14:45    757  0  F9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9
FL        229    PHL  06:10    ATL  08:20    717  0  A4 J4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q9 E4 L0 T4 R0 H4 V4
 -> FL    935    ATL  09:10    JAX  10:16    717  0  A4 J4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q9 E4 L0 T4 R0 H4 V4
US        3223  PHL  11:45    DCA  12:57    ERJ  0  Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0
 -> US    93    DCA  13:50    JAX  15:53    319  0  F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0
UA        7195  PHL  14:35    IAD  15:40    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0
 -> UA    7883  IAD  16:36    JAX  18:45    CR7  0  F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W0 A4 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0
US        7465  PHL  14:35    IAD  15:40    CRJ  0  Y4 B4 M4 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    7521  IAD  16:36    JAX  18:45    CR7  0  F4 A4 Y4 B4 M4 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0

[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT/US-CA]
Code:

PHL  Philadelphia Metro / Philadelphia Int'l PA US = PHL TTN [KPHL]
JAX  Jacksonville Int'l FL US [KJAX]
WED  01 Mar 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------
US        1099  PHL  07:35    JAX  10:04    733  0  F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
UA/US    2374  PHL  07:35    JAX  10:04    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
US        783    PHL  11:50    JAX  14:12    320  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H7 Q4 V2 L1 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
UA/US    2196  PHL  11:50    JAX  14:12    320  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 P4 A4
UA/US    2289  PHL  16:20    JAX  18:35    320  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
UA/US    2216  PHL  18:00    JAX  20:28    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
US        836    PHL  18:00    JAX  20:28    733  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0
FL        229    PHL  06:10    ATL  08:20    717  0  A4 J4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q4 E4 L4 T4 R0 V4 D4 H4
 -> FL    935    ATL  09:10    JAX  10:16    717  0  A4 J4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q4 E4 L4 T4 R0 V4 D4 H4
DL        265    PHL  06:30    ATL  08:45    M80  0  F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
 -> DL    960    ATL  09:59    JAX  11:08    M80  0  F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L0 U0 T0
DL        265    PHL  06:30    ATL  08:45    M80  0  F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
 -> DL    960    ATL  09:59    JAX  11:08    M80  0  F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L0 U0 T0
CO/Pinnacl8055  PHL  07:00    MEM  08:45    CRJ  0  Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V2 Q0 S0 T0 L0
 -> CO/Pin5984  MEM  09:30    JAX  12:15    CRJ  0  Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V2 Q0 S0 T0 L0
DL        641    PHL  07:30    ATL  09:56    757  0  F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
 -> DL    942    ATL  12:05    JAX  13:08    M80  0  F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
US        1075  PHL  08:05    CLT  09:53    767  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W7 S5 T0 K0 N0
 -> US    1145  CLT  11:30    JAX  12:51    319  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W7 S5 T0 K0 N0
US        1075  PHL  08:05    CLT  09:53    767  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T7 K0 N0
 -> US    1115  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T7 K0 N0
UA/US    2334  PHL  08:05    CLT  09:53    767  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
 -> UA/US 2353  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
DL        1144  PHL  08:40    ATL  11:02    757  0  F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
 -> DL    942    ATL  12:05    JAX  13:08    M80  0  F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7
US        731    PHL  10:00    CLT  11:52    319  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0
 -> US    1115  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0
UA/US    2628  PHL  10:00    CLT  11:52    319  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
 -> UA/US 2353  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
UA/US    2628  PHL  10:00    CLT  11:52    319  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
 -> UA/US 2353  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
UA/US    2628  PHL  10:00    CLT  11:52    319  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
 -> UA/US 2353  CLT  13:00    JAX  14:17    733  0  F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4


KVS Sep 23, 06 1:31 pm

The first post has been updated to reflect the new CO booking classes, and new NWAWP method that provides access to the CO award/upgrade classes.

See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988

Vulcan Sep 24, 06 1:06 pm


Originally Posted by KVS
The first post has been updated to reflect the new CO booking classes, and new NWAWP method that provides access to the CO award/upgrade classes.

See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988


Wow. Thank you sooo much. You continually to amaze me in bringing this valuable information to us. The ability to now see CO "F" is invaluable to me in planning trips. For instance, on a trip I have this Wednesday where I have not cleared the upgrade list, I can see that F=2.

KVS Sep 25, 06 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by Vulcan
Wow. Thank you sooo much. You continually to amaze me in bringing this valuable information to us. The ability to now see CO "F" is invaluable to me in planning trips. For instance, on a trip I have this Wednesday where I have not cleared the upgrade list, I can see that F=2.

You're welcome!

I knew something had to be done when I started receiving PMs from CO users suffering from the R-Class Withdrawal Syndrome :).

CLEHillbilly Sep 27, 06 10:23 pm

I just started to try to use the KVS tool and wondered if the tool is broken or the CO WWW site broken (I know I bet its the CO Site).

I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.

Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.

CLEHillbilly Sep 27, 06 10:27 pm

Of course, there is no Intl EUA.[/QUOTE]


They dont advertise them but if its a full flight they do do them...3 times this summer I have been EUA at the gate for Intl flights, all because they were overbooked....once to Beijing....how sweet that was.

Thanks CO!

KVS Sep 27, 06 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by CLEHillbilly
I just started to try to use the KVS tool and wondered if the tool is broken or the CO WWW site broken (I know I bet its the CO Site).

I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.

Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.

I just tried it using Apollo and the EWR route does show-up. Have you entered "CO" in the [Airline:] field? Is the [Time:] field set to "(Any)"?

BTW, what did you mean by "multiple methods" (there is only 1 Method in the Lite version) :confused:.

[KVS Availability Tool 2.4.0/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT]
Code:

CLE  Cleveland Hopkins Int'l OH US [KCLE]
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
SAT  21 Oct 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------------------
CO        724    CLE  06:40    EWR  08:09    73G  0  A4 D4 Z4 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9
 -> CO    9      EWR  11:10    NRT  13:50 +1  777  0  J9 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0

[KVS Availability Tool 2.4.0/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT]
Code:

NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
CLE  Cleveland Hopkins Int'l OH US [KCLE]
FRI  27 Oct 2006

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------------------------
CO        8      NRT  16:20    EWR  16:05    777  0  J0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0
 -> CO    825    EWR  18:05    CLE  20:03    738  0  A4 D4 Z4 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9
CO        8      NRT  16:20    EWR  16:05    777  0  J0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0
 -> CO    425    EWR  20:25    CLE  22:04    735  0  A0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9


fool4miles Oct 13, 06 9:02 am


Originally Posted by MBM3
Is there any way to pull up a CO PNR?

good question...has this been answered recently?

thanks for all the info!

KVS Oct 13, 06 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by MBM3
Is there any way to pull up a CO PNR?


Originally Posted by fool4miles
good question...has this been answered recently?

thanks for all the info!

If you are unable to retreive your CO PNR using Worldspan, take a look at KVS Tool FAQ Part 3 (link below):

Jaimito Cartero Oct 13, 06 1:45 pm

Certainly there are International EUAs
 

Originally Posted by CLEHillbilly
They dont advertise them but if its a full flight they do do them...3 times this summer I have been EUA at the gate for Intl flights, all because they were overbooked....once to Beijing....how sweet that was.

Not Op-ups, but EUAs. There are international EUA's. However, only for certain routes (mostly Latin America). I've gotten EUA's on international segments to SJO and LIM, plus GUM-HKG. Think any 737 or 757 for certain routes. :)

ICanSeeForMiles Oct 15, 06 1:53 am

which fare bucket is used for sky team/flying blue
 
if i'm using flying blue mileage to book on CO which fis the relevant fare bucket for both econ and biz. is it G and R, or something else.

thenewflesh Oct 15, 06 7:02 am

Is there a way to only look up F inventory without getting the "No Availability" for standard award buckets?


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