OMYGAWD... the final straw....ERJs bomb ABQ.
Jan 5, 2003, 9:48 pm
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But some of us have markets (such as SDF) that are only served nonstop from NYC or PHL by the RJs and in order to get mainline jets, you need to connect at DTW or ATL, neither of which is a particularly appetizing alternative. It's becoming an incentive to maybe find a new business that involves only major markets.
Jan 6, 2003, 6:09 am
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Welcome to my world (or at least what used to be my world). CO flys NOTHING but RJ's out of SDF (my home airport) now. I had been a very loyal CO FF until they made this change. No only are the planes less comfortable, you always end up in the "B" terminal and have to run your a-s off to get to your next flight. All of that is over now, I got NW to comp my status and will now be a loyal NW FFer. NW Regional Jets have a great FC and 75% of their flights are on larger aircraft. GOOD LUCK !
Jan 6, 2003, 6:49 am
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Hahaha! Wrong airline!!! 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cbchicago:
If they would take one row out and give you a little more leg room it would make easier to endure. If they are worried about the loss of three seats, they could make more leg room on one side (A) and only have the loss of one seat. Moreover, I will take a NW DC-9 before I book and CO RJ.</font>
If they would take one row out and give you a little more leg room it would make easier to endure. If they are worried about the loss of three seats, they could make more leg room on one side (A) and only have the loss of one seat. Moreover, I will take a NW DC-9 before I book and CO RJ.</font>
Jan 6, 2003, 6:51 am
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Monitor, Homer.too:
SDF is my home airport and I am very, very happy with AA, even when I am on the short SDF-ORD ERJ flight or the SDF-STL (mainline offered as well) ERJ flights.
SDF is my home airport and I am very, very happy with AA, even when I am on the short SDF-ORD ERJ flight or the SDF-STL (mainline offered as well) ERJ flights.
Jan 6, 2003, 9:58 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tvl4free:
[b]But all along I thought I was safe with 6 daily 737s from ABQ to IAH. ABQ is not exactly Waco, Texas, you know! </font>
[b]But all along I thought I was safe with 6 daily 737s from ABQ to IAH. ABQ is not exactly Waco, Texas, you know! </font>
Jan 6, 2003, 10:33 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by duxfan:
If you ever walk behind the curtain on a NW AVRO, you'll find more legroom than on a CO 737, and six seats in every row, except one, which only has 5, in order to have only 69 seats onboard.</font>
If you ever walk behind the curtain on a NW AVRO, you'll find more legroom than on a CO 737, and six seats in every row, except one, which only has 5, in order to have only 69 seats onboard.</font>
See here: http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/arj/index.shtml
Jan 6, 2003, 1:03 pm
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I understand why people at larger airports like EWR get upset over ERJs but in CLE I am just happy to be able to get a direct flight. If it takes an ERJ to make the route profitable so be it.
I am 6'1 and 175 and find the A rows to be fine for anything under 2 hours.
I am 6'1 and 175 and find the A rows to be fine for anything under 2 hours.
Jan 6, 2003, 1:29 pm
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You just wouldn't happen to be employed by ExpressJet Holdings Inc, would you RJSAREOK4ME? 
Jan 6, 2003, 1:44 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paulo:
[b] "From NYC as well, and I can't tell you how many ERJ's I've done in the last year. (EWR-CVG, -MCI, -MKE, -GSO; LGA-CLE-DTW)
Eventually they will realize that we will tolerate these pups for shorter less well traveled routes where any service is better than none, but pax really won't stand for it on longer more competitive routes.
I think this strategy will come back to bite them in the arse."
You would know more since I don't live in NY, but I think it's just too big a market for tons of flights to be RJs. At least in the long term. Currently they can do that because the loads have been so light since 9/11 and will do so until they get the amount of pax they did in the 90's.
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[b] "From NYC as well, and I can't tell you how many ERJ's I've done in the last year. (EWR-CVG, -MCI, -MKE, -GSO; LGA-CLE-DTW)
Eventually they will realize that we will tolerate these pups for shorter less well traveled routes where any service is better than none, but pax really won't stand for it on longer more competitive routes.
I think this strategy will come back to bite them in the arse."
You would know more since I don't live in NY, but I think it's just too big a market for tons of flights to be RJs. At least in the long term. Currently they can do that because the loads have been so light since 9/11 and will do so until they get the amount of pax they did in the 90's.
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Jan 6, 2003, 2:05 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bonzaiflyer:
That's gotta be just pure dumb luck, or you're always doing transcons or going over the pond. Watch out for the ERJ-XXXXLR!
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That's gotta be just pure dumb luck, or you're always doing transcons or going over the pond. Watch out for the ERJ-XXXXLR!
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It's not dumb luck -- it's just going to destinations that are large enough to be served by mainline aircraft.
My destinations in the last 6 weeks: LAX, PHX, ATL, NRT, JAX, TPA, IAH, AUS, GCM
Frankly, ABQ is a pretty ideal target for ERJ service if the traffic won't support a 737 or something.
Jan 6, 2003, 3:29 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tvl4free:
In the recesses of my mind, I knew there were these things called ERJ's out there in the system somewhere - cause cigarman knows how to complain - and via postings here, has kept me informed of these things.
But all along I thought I was safe with 6 daily 737s from ABQ to IAH. ABQ is not exactly Waco, Texas, you know!
Well, I was thumbing thru the schedules today for a trip to Asia and the first and the last flights of the day are now ERJ's!!!
THERE'S NO F CABIN:
1#CO2134 Y3 H3 K3 B1 V0 Q0 T0 L0 ABQIAH 700A1000A * ERJ
6#CO2571 Y9 H9 K9 B9 V9 Q9 T9 L2 ABQIAH 430P 730P *8 ERJ 0
I guess I don't live in perfect WEDDED bliss anymore! And infact, I might be violantly ill sometime later today!
This isn't at all funny!
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In the recesses of my mind, I knew there were these things called ERJ's out there in the system somewhere - cause cigarman knows how to complain - and via postings here, has kept me informed of these things.
But all along I thought I was safe with 6 daily 737s from ABQ to IAH. ABQ is not exactly Waco, Texas, you know!
Well, I was thumbing thru the schedules today for a trip to Asia and the first and the last flights of the day are now ERJ's!!!
THERE'S NO F CABIN:
1#CO2134 Y3 H3 K3 B1 V0 Q0 T0 L0 ABQIAH 700A1000A * ERJ
6#CO2571 Y9 H9 K9 B9 V9 Q9 T9 L2 ABQIAH 430P 730P *8 ERJ 0
I guess I don't live in perfect WEDDED bliss anymore! And infact, I might be violantly ill sometime later today!
This isn't at all funny!
[This message has been edited by tvl4free (edited 01-05-2003).]</font>
Jan 6, 2003, 3:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Homer.too:
Welcome to my world (or at least what used to be my world). CO flys NOTHING but RJ's out of SDF (my home airport) now. I had been a very loyal CO FF until they made this change. No only are the planes less comfortable, you always end up in the "B" terminal and have to run your a-s off to get to your next flight. All of that is over now, I got NW to comp my status and will now be a loyal NW FFer. NW Regional Jets have a great FC and 75% of their flights are on larger aircraft. GOOD LUCK ! </font>
Welcome to my world (or at least what used to be my world). CO flys NOTHING but RJ's out of SDF (my home airport) now. I had been a very loyal CO FF until they made this change. No only are the planes less comfortable, you always end up in the "B" terminal and have to run your a-s off to get to your next flight. All of that is over now, I got NW to comp my status and will now be a loyal NW FFer. NW Regional Jets have a great FC and 75% of their flights are on larger aircraft. GOOD LUCK ! </font>
Jan 6, 2003, 3:38 pm
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I have two things to say about this.
1. A friend of mine was the CEO of a major airline. We were discussing regional jets. He described visiting a factory in Brazil where it seemed like "there were 2,000 people running around in circles." Bottom line: "Morally I couldn't justify buying that jet."
2. Charles Kuralt, writing of the EMB-120, said: "I used to live in Brazil. I know how they make things there."
1. A friend of mine was the CEO of a major airline. We were discussing regional jets. He described visiting a factory in Brazil where it seemed like "there were 2,000 people running around in circles." Bottom line: "Morally I couldn't justify buying that jet."
2. Charles Kuralt, writing of the EMB-120, said: "I used to live in Brazil. I know how they make things there."
Jan 6, 2003, 3:46 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bonzaiflyer:
ERJ or CRJ? I think it's the CRJ-700. I don't see how they'd configure a ERJ with F, CRJ being 2-2 would be more likely.
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ERJ or CRJ? I think it's the CRJ-700. I don't see how they'd configure a ERJ with F, CRJ being 2-2 would be more likely.
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Jan 6, 2003, 3:59 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by timf:
The Northwest RJ85s only have 5 seats across in most coach rows, with 4 across in 2 of the coach rows.</font>
The Northwest RJ85s only have 5 seats across in most coach rows, with 4 across in 2 of the coach rows.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by socrates:...it will be BusFirst not First and so they'll either be occupied by CO employees or they'll sit empty.</font>
Don't let the UA folds here about this... cause it'll surely be part of their next contract...if there is one. [This message has been edited by tvl4free (edited 01-06-2003).]