Limit on Earning Flex Miles with Presidential Plus CC
Jul 20, 2011, 2:16 pm
#46
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I also just sent a strongly worded email to Chase expressing my dissatisfaction with this change. I let them know I would consider cancelling my card if it goes forward.
Jul 20, 2011, 2:23 pm
#47
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I talked to the OPSC about this. They told me that you can only transfer in increments of 100k once you have already reached 100k. That doesn't sound right to me.
Jul 20, 2011, 2:40 pm
#48
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I am starting to think that these changes have more to do with Chase being heavy-handed with CO than the other way around. These restrictions are quite radical, and we all know that CO fell prey to Chase's heavy-handedness last year, when they announced the severing of the Amex relationship. It seems to me that UA/CO should have the kind of muscle with Chase to force them to back down. We need to convince them that their risk analysis failed miserably.
Jul 20, 2011, 2:44 pm
#49
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Second, everyone should read the new fine print just added to Chase's terms and conditions page of the card https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...l_terms_pp.htm -- it effectively says if you cancel your "Account" (meaning if you cancel your PPlus card -- they clearly differentiate that from cancelling your "OnePass account") then ALL your already-earned Flex EQMs will be "voided and deleted" from your OnePass account. (I would cut and paste the relevant section, but it is too cumbersome to do from my mobile device)
Is that their way of trying to force us to keep their card, even if we don't like these changes?
It's outrageous -- and they could only do that with CO/UA's agreement, since only CO/UA can delete already-earned miles from a FF's account.
Jul 20, 2011, 3:42 pm
#50
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bravo Chase.
I was going to transfer my 1MM+ MR pts to CO pre-Sep 30 and then cancel my AMEX PR but you've now made the PPlus worthless.
my family will take our consistent 6-figure annual spend back to AMEX.
the card is a pain anyway with 4 people on it. separating expenses is a chore compared to AMEX.
I was going to transfer my 1MM+ MR pts to CO pre-Sep 30 and then cancel my AMEX PR but you've now made the PPlus worthless.
my family will take our consistent 6-figure annual spend back to AMEX.
the card is a pain anyway with 4 people on it. separating expenses is a chore compared to AMEX.
Jul 20, 2011, 4:25 pm
#51
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bravo Chase.
I was going to transfer my 1MM+ MR pts to CO pre-Sep 30 and then cancel my AMEX PR but you've now made the PPlus worthless.
my family will take our consistent 6-figure annual spend back to AMEX.
the card is a pain anyway with 4 people on it. separating expenses is a chore compared to AMEX.
I was going to transfer my 1MM+ MR pts to CO pre-Sep 30 and then cancel my AMEX PR but you've now made the PPlus worthless.
my family will take our consistent 6-figure annual spend back to AMEX.
the card is a pain anyway with 4 people on it. separating expenses is a chore compared to AMEX.
Jul 20, 2011, 8:18 pm
#52
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If there is a 5,000 flex limit then it's time to look around for another card or just use AMEX Plat. Big miscalculation by CO/Chase.
Jul 20, 2011, 8:28 pm
#53
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Finally heard from UA Insider. It's a bad as we thought. See the post in the Consolidated section -
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...l#post16766648
It's clear the card is now aimed at non-Elites and mid level Elites. If you expect to maintain Platinum anyway for the forseeable future, there's very little good news here.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...l#post16766648
It's clear the card is now aimed at non-Elites and mid level Elites. If you expect to maintain Platinum anyway for the forseeable future, there's very little good news here.
Jul 20, 2011, 9:20 pm
#54
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Finally heard from UA Insider. It's a bad as we thought. See the post in the Consolidated section -
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...l#post16766648
It's clear the card is now aimed at non-Elites and mid level Elites. If you expect to maintain Platinum anyway for the forseeable future, there's very little good news here.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...l#post16766648
It's clear the card is now aimed at non-Elites and mid level Elites. If you expect to maintain Platinum anyway for the forseeable future, there's very little good news here.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:29 am
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Interestingly though.
UAInsider does not clarify the total amount of EQMs to be earned in that post. The $25k (= 5k FEQM) vs. the 25kFEQM maximum benefit is, as far as I can tell, still up in the air and potentially a typo.
Actually, he specifically does *not* address a lower cap to earning in his list of benefit changes.
UAInsider does not clarify the total amount of EQMs to be earned in that post. The $25k (= 5k FEQM) vs. the 25kFEQM maximum benefit is, as far as I can tell, still up in the air and potentially a typo.
Actually, he specifically does *not* address a lower cap to earning in his list of benefit changes.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:47 am
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And a small silver lining-
clarification that the total FEQM earn cap is an error -
clarification that the total FEQM earn cap is an error -
Hi edcho, the information regarding the cap in Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) is incorrect. There is no limit on the numbe of Flex EQMs that Cardmembers can earn. The information on the website will be corrected soon.
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Jul 21, 2011, 6:40 am
#58
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And a small silver lining-
clarification that the total FEQM earn cap is an error -
Quote:
Hi edcho, the information regarding the cap in Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) is incorrect. There is no limit on the numbe of Flex EQMs that Cardmembers can earn. The information on the website will be corrected soon.
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
clarification that the total FEQM earn cap is an error -
Quote:
Hi edcho, the information regarding the cap in Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) is incorrect. There is no limit on the numbe of Flex EQMs that Cardmembers can earn. The information on the website will be corrected soon.
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
I think it is inherently immoral for CO/Chase to give you these flex EQM's, referring to them as a benefit, when you theoretically might not be able to use them. You can always use your OP miles. You may not like the available flights or the cost in miles, but you can use them - and not just for flights.
Jul 21, 2011, 8:05 am
#59
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Not really good news. Sure, you can spend $1 Million and get 200,000 Flex EQM's. Chase will be happy to take your money (actually the merchants' money). The problem is that if you earn exactly 75,000 EQM's in one year, you can't redeem any of those miles, which will start expiring in the fourth year.
I think it is inherently immoral for CO/Chase to give you these flex EQM's, referring to them as a benefit, when you theoretically might not be able to use them. You can always use your OP miles. You may not like the available flights or the cost in miles, but you can use them - and not just for flights.
I think it is inherently immoral for CO/Chase to give you these flex EQM's, referring to them as a benefit, when you theoretically might not be able to use them. You can always use your OP miles. You may not like the available flights or the cost in miles, but you can use them - and not just for flights.
Jul 21, 2011, 8:18 am
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Not really good news. Sure, you can spend $1 Million and get 200,000 Flex EQM's. Chase will be happy to take your money (actually the merchants' money). The problem is that if you earn exactly 75,000 EQM's in one year, you can't redeem any of those miles, which will start expiring in the fourth year.
I think it is inherently immoral for CO/Chase to give you these flex EQM's, referring to them as a benefit, when you theoretically might not be able to use them. You can always use your OP miles. You may not like the available flights or the cost in miles, but you can use them - and not just for flights.
I think it is inherently immoral for CO/Chase to give you these flex EQM's, referring to them as a benefit, when you theoretically might not be able to use them. You can always use your OP miles. You may not like the available flights or the cost in miles, but you can use them - and not just for flights.
Ex: Year 1, Earn your 75K FEQM. Year 2, when EM resets, deposit, say 74K FEQM so that you're starting balance is actually 74k at the beginning of the year. Then, if you fly over 25k EQMs, it should/could let it go through since you're not transferring over the 75k. Again, depends how its implemented/programmed in the system.