PC Behavior...lovely
Feb 10, 2011 | 11:43 pm
#31
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I have to agree that the quality of passengers has gone down. That is easily observed in the front cabin just as much as in the back. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe that you should wear nice clothes when you travel, particularly if you're sitting in front. If nothing else, do it on international flights because you can bet your behind the customs and immigration officers DO notice. It may be wrong, biased, whatever, but you have less chance of a room-with-no-windows interview or open-even-your-eyeglasses-case experience if you look like you belong there instead of a homeless person who found a boarding pass in the trash. I make a point of never wearing jeans or sneakers when I fly, no matter where I'm sitting. I don't go to the extreme of wearing high heels unless I'm on my way to a meeting, but slacks, shirt and pashmina is my minimum standard.
I fly what's most comfortable to fly in. For example, I just flew international, a 12 hour flight, and do not want to sit in a suit, or in *slacks* or the like. I wore sweatpants, a long sleeve shirt, and had a sweatshirt in my carry-on. And guess what? Check-in, security, customs, passport control... no one had a problem. The FAs were all very nice, and no pax made a comment or gave me a look. And if they did, shame on them. They can dress how they want; I'll dress how I want.
Obviously, there's a line. But nothing was inappropriate. No *revealing* or *tight-fitting* clothing, no inappropriate messages... Flying is not a special thing to be treated with reverence like it may have been in the '70s. It's a common thing that millions of people do all the time, and can be treated as such. Otherwise, what's the limit? Should I dress up when going to the mall as well?
Feb 11, 2011 | 8:42 am
#33
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I honestly wouldn't mind seeing both dress code and capacity enforcement (for non-members) for the future United Club. Frequently there are too many people inside the various Pres Clubs and RCCs I've used. It's become the hidden gate area with kids running around, rude and inconsiderate patrons. And the snack bars are usually gross, especially during high traffic periods. I now stay away from the cheese and veggies during busy periods because I see people using their bare hands to grab food items. No thank you. And wow, I wish parents would either 1) not bring their kids inside the lounge or 2) at least try to control their children.
If it would mean fewer inconsiderate animals inside and a nicer atmosphere with better food/drink offerings, I wouldn't mind seeing enforcement of rules and higher priced day passes to keep the riffraff out.
If it would mean fewer inconsiderate animals inside and a nicer atmosphere with better food/drink offerings, I wouldn't mind seeing enforcement of rules and higher priced day passes to keep the riffraff out.
Feb 12, 2011 | 5:34 am
#34
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RNE, saying, "PCs are so funereal one gladly welcomes any diversion, even an exhibition of the art of fingernail clipping acrobatics."
P.S. I believe it's scheduled to be an official event at the Games of the XXXII Olympiad in Cleveland, Ohio.
Feb 12, 2011 | 11:55 am
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Feb 12, 2011 | 1:28 pm
#36
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I asked because I wanted to know what point you were trying to makeby switching the focus to the bible. I got the point OP was trying to make.
Feb 12, 2011 | 1:43 pm
#37
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Basic standards of etiquette
Without making a comment specific to any one post, aren't there just basic etiquette standards anymore, things that one would not do in public. People are losing these and don't seem to care about anyone else around them(last week in IAH E PC a man pulling out a deod. stick, taking of shirt and putting the deod.on right out in public). No, no one needs to wear a tux to travel or raise one's pinky when drinking tea, but it would be nice if people would pick up their own trash in the PC, not do personal hygiene or grooming out in the open, or belch and fart at will...those may not bother you but they bother others....isn't that the whole point of this post?
Feb 12, 2011 | 1:57 pm
#38
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Without making a comment specific to any one post, aren't there just basic etiquette standards anymore, things that one would not do in public. People are losing these and don't seem to care about anyone else around them(last week in IAH E PC a man pulling out a deod. stick, taking of shirt and putting the deod.on right out in public). No, no one needs to wear a tux to travel or raise one's pinky when drinking tea, but it would be nice if people would pick up their own trash in the PC, not do personal hygiene or grooming out in the open, or belch and fart at will...those may not bother you but they bother others....isn't that the whole point of this post?
Feb 12, 2011 | 1:57 pm
#39
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I took offense that the OP was equating boorish behavior to someone who would read about global warming. I think you knew that, though.
Feb 13, 2011 | 6:07 am
#40
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Didn't anyone see the movie Idiocracy? We're already there.
I'd be surprised if the Continental Presidents Club didn't have a list of rules for attire and behavior. I know United does for the RCC, unfortunately it's buried in the united.com website and not usually enforced.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing both dress code and capacity enforcement (for non-members) for the future United Club. Frequently there are too many people inside the various Pres Clubs and RCCs I've used. It's become the hidden gate area with kids running around, rude and inconsiderate patrons. And the snack bars are usually gross, especially during high traffic periods. I now stay away from the cheese and veggies during busy periods because I see people using their bare hands to grab food items. No thank you. And wow, I wish parents would either 1) not bring their kids inside the lounge or 2) at least try to control their children.
If it would mean fewer inconsiderate animals inside and a nicer atmosphere with better food/drink offerings, I wouldn't mind seeing enforcement of rules and higher priced day passes to keep the riffraff out.
As for on board, it's a lost cause. And dressing up for a long haul seems silly, unless the airline is providing pajamas. I see nothing wrong with comfortable and neat (no Wal-Mart attire).
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I long for the day when we're finally one single airline, so we can be done with the lame UA/CO bashing on both forums.
I'd be surprised if the Continental Presidents Club didn't have a list of rules for attire and behavior. I know United does for the RCC, unfortunately it's buried in the united.com website and not usually enforced.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing both dress code and capacity enforcement (for non-members) for the future United Club. Frequently there are too many people inside the various Pres Clubs and RCCs I've used. It's become the hidden gate area with kids running around, rude and inconsiderate patrons. And the snack bars are usually gross, especially during high traffic periods. I now stay away from the cheese and veggies during busy periods because I see people using their bare hands to grab food items. No thank you. And wow, I wish parents would either 1) not bring their kids inside the lounge or 2) at least try to control their children.
If it would mean fewer inconsiderate animals inside and a nicer atmosphere with better food/drink offerings, I wouldn't mind seeing enforcement of rules and higher priced day passes to keep the riffraff out.
As for on board, it's a lost cause. And dressing up for a long haul seems silly, unless the airline is providing pajamas. I see nothing wrong with comfortable and neat (no Wal-Mart attire).
~~
I long for the day when we're finally one single airline, so we can be done with the lame UA/CO bashing on both forums.
She was out in the main bit with me to get snacks and drinks, to use the bathroom and check the flight status. We stayed in the room so she could play without disturbing others. She whispered the whole time and got compliments from business people in the club and on the flight as kept whispering with her finger on her lips "Mummy, is this a good inside voice?" and played quietly. She charmed them. I had people saying that they were wary when they saw her coming but she was an angel. They were giving her their dessert and pretzels and one even coloured with her and pointed out the Statue of Liberty. She would never be allowed to run wild. She is 3 and of course has her moments but as a good parent I can manage her. I understand about unruly children but they are a minority. I do wish parents with discipline and attempt to prepare for long trips as they give the rest of us a bad name.
Feb 13, 2011 | 6:19 am
#41
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Why do people always bring out complaints about children? Some parents (most of us) can control our children. I used to go in the club all the time as a child. My 3 year old was recently in the PC. She was warned about using inside voices and staying with me before she went in and had a reward system in place. Thanks to, SBM12 we researched the family room before going so I could determine if it was appropriate and could plan ahead. We used the family room, that is what it is there for She was out in the main bit with me to get snacks and drinks, to use the bathroom and check the flight status. We stayed in the room so she could play without disturbing others. She whispered the whole time and got compliments from business people in the club and on the flight as kept whispering with her finger on her lips "Mummy, is this a good inside voice?" and played quietly. She charmed them. I had people saying that they were wary when they saw her coming but she was an angel. They were giving her their dessert and pretzels and one even coloured with her and pointed out the Statue of Liberty. She would never be allowed to run wild. She is 3 and of course has her moments but as a good parent I can manage her. I understand about unruly children but they are a minority. I do wish parents with discipline and attempt to prepare for long trips as they give the rest of us a bad name.
She was out in the main bit with me to get snacks and drinks, to use the bathroom and check the flight status. We stayed in the room so she could play without disturbing others. She whispered the whole time and got compliments from business people in the club and on the flight as kept whispering with her finger on her lips "Mummy, is this a good inside voice?" and played quietly. She charmed them. I had people saying that they were wary when they saw her coming but she was an angel. They were giving her their dessert and pretzels and one even coloured with her and pointed out the Statue of Liberty. She would never be allowed to run wild. She is 3 and of course has her moments but as a good parent I can manage her. I understand about unruly children but they are a minority. I do wish parents with discipline and attempt to prepare for long trips as they give the rest of us a bad name.
Feb 13, 2011 | 6:50 am
#42
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Keep in mind that PCs are supposed to be quiet, restful, productive places that people spend hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars to be members of. It's not like they are sitting in a public park with monkey bars nearby. Expecting quite there is silly. Expecting peace in a PC is not silly. And unruly children prevent it.
That's why people always complain about children. Not so confusing is it, really?
RNE, adding an important proviso, "Parents, please keep in mind that minors—no matter what their age or how well behaved they may be—do NOT belong in the bar area of the PC.
This is my rule, not a PC rule—but it should be. The bar is the sole refuge for adults and adult conversation. Don't bother adults with your well-mannered children in the bar and if you aren't polite enough to respect those adults, then keep your kids out for their own benefit: avoiding exposure to adult socializing therein. This common sense is violated by good parents galore. And it is egregious!"
Feb 13, 2011 | 1:45 pm
#43
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Really? I mean you are basically saying that every single misbehaving child is the parent's fault? That's just not the case. Some kids are difficult no matter what. To you main point -- I have no problem with kids in the PC as long as they are not making noise. The family room is a wonderful thing; when i travel with my niece and nephew we use the family room.
But if the kids are making noise and the parent cannot get them under control, then the family should be asked to leave. Noisy children get taken out of movie theaters and church and they should be taken out of the PC if they are disruptive. Even if your children are much better than most children because you are the perfect mother.
Feb 13, 2011 | 1:52 pm
#44
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I would propose the following rule -- parents should have to pay an additional fee to bring kids in -- I would propose at least $20 per child under the age of 16. This will drive a number of people away which is good because the clubs are too crowded.
In addition, if parents are asked to leave because of unruly children it should be recorded in their membership. More than two violations in a year should result in immediate termination of membership without a refund, this forfeiture would apply to lifetime membership as well, so the stake could be quite high. This would give the parent' an incentive to pull the misbehaving kids out before CO had to get involved and an incident when on their record.