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Aug 25, 2002 | 7:03 am
#31
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arturo reely lik tacos, habanas, an matzo-ball soop. sew, arturo sey, let's jus git on wiff sum flye tock stuf.
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Aug 26, 2002 | 1:32 pm
#34
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Re: UAPremiereExecutive's remarks (which I admit I haven't read)
I didn't get to read UAPE's remarks, but I don't have to have read them to know that the most bigoted and intolerant members in any group are always those who want to ban free expression by others.
Just read the op-ed article in today's WSJ about Ann Coulter, probably the most politically incorrect person in America today. Every single day this lady (pre-apologies to anyone who objects to my calling her a "lady") makes more outrageous remarks about blacks, Jews, Muslims - you name the group - than any FT ever thought of. How many people do you know who have been simultaneously banished from the pages of the New York Times and National Review?
And the result - Number One on the NYT book list for weeks (how it must hurt the NYT to have to print her name there!). PC may be the fashion of the day on the newspaper pages and on FT, but the real world is sure a lot different.
I really don't care what Nate's views are about anything other than air travel, and there he has been a real jewel. It is time for some FTers to grow up and stop the censoring and banishing.
Bruce
I didn't get to read UAPE's remarks, but I don't have to have read them to know that the most bigoted and intolerant members in any group are always those who want to ban free expression by others.
Just read the op-ed article in today's WSJ about Ann Coulter, probably the most politically incorrect person in America today. Every single day this lady (pre-apologies to anyone who objects to my calling her a "lady") makes more outrageous remarks about blacks, Jews, Muslims - you name the group - than any FT ever thought of. How many people do you know who have been simultaneously banished from the pages of the New York Times and National Review?
And the result - Number One on the NYT book list for weeks (how it must hurt the NYT to have to print her name there!). PC may be the fashion of the day on the newspaper pages and on FT, but the real world is sure a lot different.
I really don't care what Nate's views are about anything other than air travel, and there he has been a real jewel. It is time for some FTers to grow up and stop the censoring and banishing.
Bruce
Aug 26, 2002 | 5:24 pm
#35
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Sorry, but are you saying that's it's ok to say these bad things as long as you provide interesting travel info???
Tell me it ain't so.
And that sums up what several posters have already said.
Dan
Tell me it ain't so.
And that sums up what several posters have already said.
Dan
Aug 26, 2002 | 5:32 pm
#36
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If that is what people are saying, then we need to drop the whole "Community" charade.
Either this is a "Community", or it is no better than the Trip.Com ,Yahoo Message boards or the copycat FT.
IMHO, this is a "Community". It is one worth fighting for and one that should maintain high standards.
Those high standards should apply to EVERYONE. There should be no double standards here on FT.
Either this is a "Community", or it is no better than the Trip.Com ,Yahoo Message boards or the copycat FT.
IMHO, this is a "Community". It is one worth fighting for and one that should maintain high standards.
Those high standards should apply to EVERYONE. There should be no double standards here on FT.
Aug 26, 2002 | 6:59 pm
#37
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I don't believe I even know Nate (I admit that I have a lot of senior moments and some of those parties are really BIG) and I get so hopelessly confused over all those UAExecUAL1KPremEX names that (except for the original PremEx, who actually isn't one) I couldn't sort one of those posters from another to save my soul.
What I do know is that this young (at leastI have heard a rumor that he is young) man posted:
That is a pretty big step for someone who has to deal with testosterone. 
Good for him and his efforts.
The world would be a much better place if we were all able to step back and say, "I am sorry" when it was appropriate.
What I do know is that this young (at leastI have heard a rumor that he is young) man posted:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Yes it was wrong. I should have worded it differently.</font>
Good for him and his efforts.The world would be a much better place if we were all able to step back and say, "I am sorry" when it was appropriate.
Aug 26, 2002 | 7:54 pm
#39
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I've said naughty things on certain areas of this site - have previously apologized - and would like to again.
Aug 26, 2002 | 8:19 pm
#40
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won moar tim...thes topik es awl dunn.....let's git bac to flye talk.........
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Aug 26, 2002 | 8:44 pm
#41
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I read his original comments, they were in poor taste and he should be gone from here. If not forever then for quite awhile.
Those who did not read the original comments shouldn't realy comment on them.
As for the whole apology thing. There are those who constantly abuse people and make unwise remarks. Perhaps once is fine, not when it is done in a serial manner. Apologizing at that point is often not enough, and trying to be apologists for them is not enough. Grow up people, some of the two-facedness here is amazing to observe.
Those who did not read the original comments shouldn't realy comment on them.
As for the whole apology thing. There are those who constantly abuse people and make unwise remarks. Perhaps once is fine, not when it is done in a serial manner. Apologizing at that point is often not enough, and trying to be apologists for them is not enough. Grow up people, some of the two-facedness here is amazing to observe.
Aug 27, 2002 | 12:54 pm
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And now....on we go to more threads with more information about travel than we'll ever know as individuals.
By the way, if you haven't already done so, I suggest Community members stop by the following thread as we pay repsects to a member we have recently lost - Nathan Detroit. We're sadden to hear that nagging health issues caught up with him and we'll certainly miss him.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002439.html
By the way, if you haven't already done so, I suggest Community members stop by the following thread as we pay repsects to a member we have recently lost - Nathan Detroit. We're sadden to hear that nagging health issues caught up with him and we'll certainly miss him.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002439.html