Dec 18, 2019, 12:31 pm
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AA potentially closing accounts due to credit card churning/churn
How to know if you're locked: (as of 12/22/2019)
- Call in to aadvantage reservations (800-882-8880) If you locked, you'll be forwarded to customer service instead of getting to the automated reservations system
- If you want to stay on the line, ask CSR if your account is locked (you tried to make a reservation but it wouldn't let you). CSR will inform you there's a note on your account and that corporate security will contact you
- Try to make a reservation for a super cheap hotel through useaamiles.com. There are 1000 miles / night hotels in New Delhi, so at worst you'll risk 1K miles. If you're locked, you'll see "Unable to process points. Please call our customer service for assistance."
So far, nobody seems to have gotten unlocked and gotten access to their miles back. Accounts with upcoming travel seem to be the ones that are getting terminated at the highest rate.
AA potentially closing accounts due to credit card churning/churn
How to know if you're locked: (as of 12/22/2019)
- Call in to aadvantage reservations (800-882-8880) If you locked, you'll be forwarded to customer service instead of getting to the automated reservations system
- If you want to stay on the line, ask CSR if your account is locked (you tried to make a reservation but it wouldn't let you). CSR will inform you there's a note on your account and that corporate security will contact you
- Try to make a reservation for a super cheap hotel through useaamiles.com. There are 1000 miles / night hotels in New Delhi, so at worst you'll risk 1K miles. If you're locked, you'll see "Unable to process points. Please call our customer service for assistance."
So far, nobody seems to have gotten unlocked and gotten access to their miles back. Accounts with upcoming travel seem to be the ones that are getting terminated at the highest rate.
AA accounts restricted (Nov/Dec 2019)
Dec 19, 2019, 11:02 am
#646
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The fact that you continue to try and get me to restate what I've already said is clearly designed to garner additional information, hoping I will say more the next time. Continuing to harrass me isn't going to change what I say, which I've explained as much as I can. If you want more details yourself, you're welcome to inquire to join the private forums where such details are prevalent.
Akin to a looky Lou.
Going private was an excellent choice.
Dec 19, 2019, 12:10 pm
#647
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,606
Why even keep the AA cards ? We cancelled 8 AA cards ( 3 accounts ) a week or so ago.
IMO there is reason CITI let this go on ( a bank fudging numbers, no way) so let them run the numbers with a few thousand AA cards ( where people all paid on time) off the books.
Does it matter, who knows but I have no reason for a AA card now.................if this all ends well (DOUBTFUL) and I need one I have never had the businesses version
Dec 19, 2019, 1:00 pm
#648
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,433
The fact that you continue to try and get me to restate what I've already said is clearly designed to garner additional information, hoping I will say more the next time. Continuing to harrass me isn't going to change what I say, which I've explained as much as I can. If you want more details yourself, you're welcome to inquire to join the private forums where such details are prevalent.
If you believe quoting you is harassing you, please take it up with the moderators.
Dec 19, 2019, 1:10 pm
#649
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 433
I have no interest in you restating anything. I cited your language to show different people are in different situations, which is not a great fact for a class action. There are many examples in FT, but your language was convenient.
If you believe quoting you is harassing you, please take it up with the moderators.
If you believe quoting you is harassing you, please take it up with the moderators.
Dec 19, 2019, 1:28 pm
#650
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Plaintiffs would also have to get past the Ginsberg / T&C issue. Also, courts have become increasingly hostile to class actions and many consumer protections.
If someone finds a lawyer willing to take the case, I'm sure we'll hear about it here.
Dec 19, 2019, 3:24 pm
#651
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Posts: 130
how many shutdowns/terminations happened so far??
Dec 19, 2019, 3:35 pm
#652
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Posts: 93
If that sounds familiar, it's because this is what AA did here. Don't confuse this with Citi, AA wrote the T/C, AA sent out the mailers and then the emailers, and AA sold the miles to Citi. AA could have just sent out offers with 12 digits, which are really non-transferable. Which would have limited us to applying once every 24 months, so not that many miles to be sold to Citi.
Instead they sent out 9 digit ones that anyone who can read and write could use, no matter who they were sent to. Fully knowing that the word would get around that this giant loophole is available. As anticipated many thousands of us applied for card after card, did the spend, and had the miles deposited in our accounts. Then the day came when AA decided that it was time to end the game. After all, there were now many thousands of us with @Million Miles in each of our accounts. By closing the accounts down, they can in one stroke eliminate Billions of miles/dollars from their balance sheet. By doing it now, their end of quarter/end of year report, which comes out mid-January will show a massive reduction in liabilities, Which AAL desperately needs, since over the last 2 years their stock price has come down from @$58 Jan 2018 to $28 today.
So if you had a Million miles in your now closed account, all of which were sold by AA to Citi, which AA now gets back for free, the least AA should do is send you a Thank You card. Because you didn't engage in "fraud", you were suckered into AA's Ponzi Scheme, from which they profited handsomely.
Dec 19, 2019, 3:56 pm
#653
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DisAAdvantage is a classical Ponzi Scheme. The way PS work, is they offer something 'too good to be true'. Then they rope in a bunch of people by letting the first naďve folks win, which then convinces more cautious people to play the game, since 'it's clearly working' for the first people. Then when a lot of people have put a lot of money into the PS, they close it down, and everyone still in loses everything.
Dec 19, 2019, 3:58 pm
#654
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Axiom? Or is that in the other thread in the AA forum?
Dec 19, 2019, 4:03 pm
#655
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Dec 19, 2019, 4:05 pm
#657
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Dec 19, 2019, 4:17 pm
#658
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Dec 19, 2019, 4:25 pm
#659
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Dec 19, 2019, 4:29 pm
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No, Montoya didn't mention Ponzi anything, but "I don't think that word means what you think it means" is a famous line spoken by Montoya in the film.