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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 5:47 pm
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Join Date: Jan 2013
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Originally Posted by callmedtop
Just an update - reminder, I had 2 AA Citi (one Visa, one Amex) from 3/2012, and I was approved for another about 8 days ago. Applied for my fourth two days ago, and was met with step 5, where in a live chat a rep told me to wait 24 hours.

After 24 hours, I was told to send in proof of mailing address. I did just move within the past month, and Citi made me do the same process when I applied for the same card last week. I emailed them a copy of a utility bill, but as of tonight they still haven't processed it. They told me to check back in on Monday. That said, looking good so far...this was the same process I went through before I got approved last week.
Just spoke with a rep and he confirmed my approval for my 2nd AA Visa 50k in less than 2 weeks. Had two AA's from 2012 as well (One Visa, one AX). On the phone, he was moving around some credit lines from other cards and made the comment: "you're a big fan of our cards, clearly. Gaming the system, can't blame you though!" so it sounds like the reps know what is going on, but don't really care. Just FYI...
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 6:14 pm
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Got to Step 5. No instant approval. Probably because I got the UA Explorer card about 10 days ago. Should I call the reconsideration line? Or should I have waited longer after receiving the Chase card?

Also - are any of the cards in the Wiki worth applying for since this Visa 50K offer is so churnable? Any reason to consider the business cards 40K offers?
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by IkeEsq
The highest bonus you can get right now is 50K. The 50K card appears to be completely churnable right now. Personally, I would get as many as you can as fast as you can. So get one, wait a week and change, get a second, wait just under two more months, get a third, wait a week and change, get a fourth . . .
At some point, though isn't Citi going to want to limit its exposure to you because you have 4 cards with a $25k of credit limit for each one? My wife had just 2 Citi cards (combined credit limit of $34k) and when she applied for a third (the MC card with 40k bonus), and she had to decrease the credit limit on one of them to get the limit on the MC up to $16k.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by smsu
Got to Step 5. No instant approval. Probably because I got the UA Explorer card about 10 days ago. Should I call the reconsideration line? Or should I have waited longer after receiving the Chase card?

Also - are any of the cards in the Wiki worth applying for since this Visa 50K offer is so churnable? Any reason to consider the business cards 40K offers?
If you have other citi card. You can find a live chat window in your account, who can transfer you to the live chat in the approval department. I am not comfortable to call since we are using a glitch in their system....
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by lwang138
If you have other citi card. You can find a live chat window in your account, who can transfer you to the live chat in the approval department. I am not comfortable to call since we are using a glitch in their system....
Just got off the phone. Agent verified my DOB and address. Approved for 30K.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by raghu455
I think 40k can become 50k with a SM to citi? i saw few folks did it for personal but has anyone had success with biz?
See wiki, I did it both personal and biz.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Long Islander
At some point, though isn't Citi going to want to limit its exposure to you because you have 4 cards with a $25k of credit limit for each one? My wife had just 2 Citi cards (combined credit limit of $34k) and when she applied for a third (the MC card with 40k bonus), and she had to decrease the credit limit on one of them to get the limit on the MC up to $16k.
. . . and?

The whole point of churning is to get the bonus and dump the card, preferably with a retention bonus first. If they want to move CL around in order to approve me for another card, fine. I don't need much CL on cards I never plan to use again. I keep at least one Visa Platinum open for the benefits, usually the oldest to generally help card age. The rest get dumped when I no longer need them or the AF comes up and they don't want to give me a credit against it.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:40 pm
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Originally Posted by smsu
Got to Step 5. No instant approval. Probably because I got the UA Explorer card about 10 days ago. Should I call the reconsideration line? Or should I have waited longer after receiving the Chase card?

Also - are any of the cards in the Wiki worth applying for since this Visa 50K offer is so churnable? Any reason to consider the business cards 40K offers?
I don't think so but some people may prefer business cards or a lower spend.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:43 pm
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Originally Posted by esw30
Anyone concerned about the number of pulls they would get for doing this repeatedly? How many pulls does it take before you start getting declined for too many recent inquiries?
I haven't hit it yet and I probably have 20+ over two years and 6+ over 6 months. I suspect they look at more than simply pulls though, so 3 pulls with an income of 30K and credit score of 700 might be too many but 6 pulls with an income of $100K and credit score of 750 might be no big deal.
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by bobby21
My data points so far:

2/15 - approved visa plat, denies amex (end of 2 browser days)
3/2 - declined citi business MC
5/21 - approved citi business MC
7/10 - approved citi personal MC

Now my question is - can I apply for the 2nd personal visa plat around 7/18 (7 days after last personal app), or is my business card approval on 5/21 going to trigger the 65 days rule, and I need to wait 65 days from 5/21 - i.e. around 7/26? Is the 65 day rule for personal card apps only?
The business card triggers the two cards in 60 (65) days rule.

So around 7/26 is safer. Why risk 50K if you don't need to?
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 7:49 pm
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Join Date: Apr 2011
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Originally Posted by Superorb
Does Citi even offer a retention bonus for AAdvantage or HHonors cards? I've gotten a waived AF for AAdvantage but that's it.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/credi...all-cards.html

Within the last 3-4 months I have gotten 5K HHonors points for spending $1000 (that would be two VR) on several Citi HHonor cards. It was worth slightly more before the devaluation. On the AA cards I have gotten the $85-95 fee for making 5 transactions. Do that then close the account and you make $95 or so to boot!
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Old Jul 15, 2013, 9:51 pm
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Originally Posted by smsu
Just got off the phone. Agent verified my DOB and address. Approved for 30K.
30K?
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Old Jul 16, 2013, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by Long Islander
At some point, though isn't Citi going to want to limit its exposure to you because you have 4 cards with a $25k of credit limit for each one? My wife had just 2 Citi cards (combined credit limit of $34k) and when she applied for a third (the MC card with 40k bonus), and she had to decrease the credit limit on one of them to get the limit on the MC up to $16k.

I know what you mean-- Citi has been very generous with my CL's, too.
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Old Jul 16, 2013, 8:38 am
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For AA card vets, how long does it take to get the credit for the first AA spend. I bought a AA gift card last week and was wondering I can expect to see the credit. This was on a card I got in Feb and did have the language for the credit. Just looking for an interval before I contact Citi. Thanks.
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Old Jul 16, 2013, 9:01 am
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I got 2 inquiries for the AA Plat Visa, Experian & Equifax.
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