Skiplagging on MU
#16

Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 162
I do wonder whether Chinese Airlines will be stricter with Skiplagging in the future. Given the fact that e.g. the Czech Online Travel Agency kiwi.com is using skiplagging (besides screenscraping) on a regular basis to be able to offer cheaper flights than the competition.
If one flies with the Airlines regularly and skips a leg every once in a while, ok, but if someone already skips a leg on the first flight with Air China etc. I wonder at which point in time they will cancel the next reservation and/or deny boarding.
The price difference on international o/w flights is huge.
On the other hand side will all the codeshare agreements one can simply book with the codeshare partner for a few EUR more.
If one flies with the Airlines regularly and skips a leg every once in a while, ok, but if someone already skips a leg on the first flight with Air China etc. I wonder at which point in time they will cancel the next reservation and/or deny boarding.
The price difference on international o/w flights is huge.
On the other hand side will all the codeshare agreements one can simply book with the codeshare partner for a few EUR more.
Last edited by wwtknoyb; May 13, 2024 at 6:30 am
#18

Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 162
About nine years ago I sold Iberia, Air Nostrum etc. Tickets for a living.
It would be easy for the Airlines to filter out passengers who skiplagged too often in the past and either make it impossible for the Gate Agents to issue Boarding Passes or show "Do not issue Boarding Pass" warning ... knowing the Chinese people by now, they would follow the rule by the dot. Making it impossible to book with a certain passport/id card or FQ-Traveller card would be another option.
Amadeus, Sabre, Galileo and all the system might look like they are from stoneage or medieval times, but it is really simple to add that feature.
I give you one example CA VIE-PEK a couple of days before departure they sometimes sell the one-way flight for 600 EUR upwards. If one simply adds the Air-Macau leg PEK-MFM with an 11 hour layover in PEK the same flight as a part of the VIE-PEK-MFM itinerary is being sold for the same departure date for 300 EUR on the Air China website itself.
In general, be it a Chinese or an Airline from another country, adding HKG, TPE or MFM to the itinerary, or fly one leg via HKG/TPE/MFM currently lowers the price for the flights to/from China considerably.
E.g. British Airways VIE-LHR-HKG and back PEK-LHR-VIE can save 500-1000 EUR compared to VIE-LHR-PEK r/t. Mind you that PEK-LHR-VIE is only 400 EUR in Preminum Economy.
It would be easy for the Airlines to filter out passengers who skiplagged too often in the past and either make it impossible for the Gate Agents to issue Boarding Passes or show "Do not issue Boarding Pass" warning ... knowing the Chinese people by now, they would follow the rule by the dot. Making it impossible to book with a certain passport/id card or FQ-Traveller card would be another option.
Amadeus, Sabre, Galileo and all the system might look like they are from stoneage or medieval times, but it is really simple to add that feature.
I give you one example CA VIE-PEK a couple of days before departure they sometimes sell the one-way flight for 600 EUR upwards. If one simply adds the Air-Macau leg PEK-MFM with an 11 hour layover in PEK the same flight as a part of the VIE-PEK-MFM itinerary is being sold for the same departure date for 300 EUR on the Air China website itself.
In general, be it a Chinese or an Airline from another country, adding HKG, TPE or MFM to the itinerary, or fly one leg via HKG/TPE/MFM currently lowers the price for the flights to/from China considerably.
E.g. British Airways VIE-LHR-HKG and back PEK-LHR-VIE can save 500-1000 EUR compared to VIE-LHR-PEK r/t. Mind you that PEK-LHR-VIE is only 400 EUR in Preminum Economy.
Last edited by wwtknoyb; May 13, 2024 at 1:47 pm
#20

Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 162
Before I open up another thread I squeeze it in here. If someone wants to fly from Europe to Sydney or Auckland and skip the return leg or only fly back to China etc.. MU currently offers BUD-NGB-PVG-AKL (or SYD) incl. 2x23 kg luggage etc. for EUR 677 r/t with plenty of availability. The price difference between different days is only a few EUR.
E.g.: via jetcost.dk and E-Travelis flight network (legitimate website)
E.g.: via jetcost.dk and E-Travelis flight network (legitimate website)
Last edited by wwtknoyb; May 18, 2024 at 12:46 pm
#23

Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 162
There is, according to MU/FM staff in Budapest without exception, no luggage transfer between flights in Ningbo. It does not exist yet.
But otoh NGB is a relatively small Airport.
#24
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Location: Shanghai
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Even if you book BUD-NGB-PVG with 1h55 min transit time in Ningbo - all in one ticket/PNR of course - you still have to grab your luggage from the conveyor belt and re-check it.
There is, according to MU/FM staff in Budapest without exception, no luggage transfer between flights in Ningbo. It does not exist yet.
But otoh NGB is a relatively small Airport.
There is, according to MU/FM staff in Budapest without exception, no luggage transfer between flights in Ningbo. It does not exist yet.
But otoh NGB is a relatively small Airport.
#25

Join Date: Jan 2024
Posts: 162
It's been a while since I've taken an inbound international flight with a domestic leg, but I'm pretty sure China Customs (as well as immigration) always occurs at the port of entry, except in the (very rare) case of pure technical stops like URC on the way from JFK to FOC.
Despite the two "international" flights on one PNR/Ticket, one still has to queue at the conveyor belt and then re-check in the luggage at the counter.
#26
Join Date: Dec 2024
Posts: 1
Any issues with skiplagging on MU?
I'm travelling to Beijing. With MU,
SIN-PXK-ICN
is significantly cheaper than
SIN-PXK
But my concern is my need to fly MU back, under the same Kiwi.com ticket, out of China,
about 5 days later.
I read online that the airline could blacklist upon skiplagging and I'm concerned of this considering my flight out of China is MU as well. Any advise, experience with MU skiplagging appreciated.
ps. im assuming there's no issue with immigration as im a passport holder that does not require visas for both China and Korea
SIN-PXK-ICN
is significantly cheaper than
SIN-PXK
But my concern is my need to fly MU back, under the same Kiwi.com ticket, out of China,
about 5 days later.
I read online that the airline could blacklist upon skiplagging and I'm concerned of this considering my flight out of China is MU as well. Any advise, experience with MU skiplagging appreciated.
ps. im assuming there's no issue with immigration as im a passport holder that does not require visas for both China and Korea
#29
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: AVP & PEK
Programs: UA 1K 2MM
Posts: 7,849
I.e. just go ahead and fly the PKX-ICN-PKX portion; you've already paid for it.
(Note: It's PKX not PXK. PXK is Paxson, Alaska)
#30



Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: HNL
Posts: 1,161
I'm guessing though that they want to stay in Beijing, not ICN. PXK is probably just a transit on that ticket. I'm guessing changing PEK to a stopover would increase the price of the ticket, obviating buying a ticket to ICN in the first place.




