Unionpay : Still relevant ?
#16




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Why do you feel that the card useless for all purposes? Would you use another credit card for non-Alipay/WeChat Pay purchases? The original reason I got this card was to avoid DCC in Mainland China. The Alipay Tour Pass wasn't a thing at the time I got the card, and a couple of pre-2020 field tests worked well. Without access to a local bank account, I'm unsure that I'd want to pay the fee that the Alipay Tour Pass now charges, but I'd also question Visa/MC acceptance. Is DCC still as much of an issue as it was 10+ years ago? I've only had one Visa transaction in Mainland China (with all other card transactions being UnionPay or Amex), so I don't have many recent data points.
#17
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Why do you feel that the card useless for all purposes? Would you use another credit card for non-Alipay/WeChat Pay purchases? The original reason I got this card was to avoid DCC in Mainland China. The Alipay Tour Pass wasn't a thing at the time I got the card, and a couple of pre-2020 field tests worked well. Without access to a local bank account, I'm unsure that I'd want to pay the fee that the Alipay Tour Pass now charges, but I'd also question Visa/MC acceptance. Is DCC still as much of an issue as it was 10+ years ago? I've only had one Visa transaction in Mainland China (with all other card transactions being UnionPay or Amex), so I don't have many recent data points.
Criteria:
-POS machine that only accepts UnionPay cards
-purchase amount is greater than 1000 (I'm arbitrarily assuming neither ourselves nor venues have patience to do more than 5 Wx/Ap scans)
-POS machine that only accepts UnionPay cards
-purchase amount is greater than 1000 (I'm arbitrarily assuming neither ourselves nor venues have patience to do more than 5 Wx/Ap scans)
1. Ctrip (I feel bad for using a single company instead of the category here, but if I just said "travel agencies", we'd run into some exceptions)
2. Chained hotels
3. Airlines
4. Restaurants where the average pp spend is >~250 (these are probably the highest risk for DCC, but it's still not prevalent in the whole)
5. Stores in class-A shopping malls
The short of it is, unless you're into 50k KTV outings or dining at expensive restaurants that rarely see foreigners (these do exist, to be sure), I don't think you'll have any regrets if you leave your ICBC UnionPay card at home.
#18
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But if my MC levies a FX surcharge for all transactions not in Euro, wouldn't it make sense to use a Unionpay card linked to a RMB bank account ?
FYI : the banking system in Europe is not free, like that in the US. We pay for the luxury of having a bank account, and pay for having a credit (delayed debit) card, if the bank is kind enough to issue us one. So hefty FX fees are normal.
FYI : the banking system in Europe is not free, like that in the US. We pay for the luxury of having a bank account, and pay for having a credit (delayed debit) card, if the bank is kind enough to issue us one. So hefty FX fees are normal.
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Why do you feel that the card useless for all purposes? Would you use another credit card for non-Alipay/WeChat Pay purchases? The original reason I got this card was to avoid DCC in Mainland China. The Alipay Tour Pass wasn't a thing at the time I got the card, and a couple of pre-2020 field tests worked well. Without access to a local bank account, I'm unsure that I'd want to pay the fee that the Alipay Tour Pass now charges, but I'd also question Visa/MC acceptance. Is DCC still as much of an issue as it was 10+ years ago? I've only had one Visa transaction in Mainland China (with all other card transactions being UnionPay or Amex), so I don't have many recent data points.
The ICBC US UnionPay is treated as a foreign card: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35226838-post370.html
You don't need to use Tour Pass anymore as you can directly link foreign cards to Alipay (but there's a 3% transaction fee for purchases over Y200. This will also get charged with the UnionPay card)
The card is denominated in USD anyway and I'd rather earn 1 UR from CSR than 1% cashback.
But if my MC levies a FX surcharge for all transactions not in Euro, wouldn't it make sense to use a Unionpay card linked to a RMB bank account ?
FYI : the banking system in Europe is not free, like that in the US. We pay for the luxury of having a bank account, and pay for having a credit (delayed debit) card, if the bank is kind enough to issue us one. So hefty FX fees are normal.
FYI : the banking system in Europe is not free, like that in the US. We pay for the luxury of having a bank account, and pay for having a credit (delayed debit) card, if the bank is kind enough to issue us one. So hefty FX fees are normal.
and the application form is here: https://pic.bankofchina.com/bocappd/...8711297162.pdf
I didn't see any fees though. How much does it cost / do you need a minimum balance in a linked account?
I'd get it if the amount you pay in FX fees in China per year is more than the annual fee...
Last edited by gudugan; Apr 20, 2024 at 2:17 pm
#20
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I found this page: https://www.bankofchina.com/de/de/pb..._21740193.html
and the application form is here: https://pic.bankofchina.com/bocappd/...8711297162.pdf
I didn't see any fees though. How much does it cost / do you need a minimum balance in a linked account?
I'd get it if the amount you pay in FX fees in China per year is more than the annual fee...
and the application form is here: https://pic.bankofchina.com/bocappd/...8711297162.pdf
I didn't see any fees though. How much does it cost / do you need a minimum balance in a linked account?
I'd get it if the amount you pay in FX fees in China per year is more than the annual fee...
In comparison, I pay 12,95 EUR/month for my current account, which includes a Mastercard credit card that allows me to make a fixed number of ATM withdrawals for free. No rewards, no points. And purchases not in Euro get hit with a FX fee.
Granted, was just curious whether opening a RMB account would be interesting, since I do have RMB in cash laying around as a reserve. And would de-risk from Mastercard as the sole payment provider.
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My HSBC misadventures are an amusing DP at least

