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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 35515524)
I now regret responding to one generalization with another, but the idea has to do with expressed hospitality not necessarily representing underlying feelings.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 35515265)
Japan is only welcoming in a superficial manner...
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Originally Posted by uanj
(Post 35515705)
Fair enough. :) Another time we should think of some kind things to say of the people in Japan and Minnesota.:D
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/conten...ptimize=medium Japanese store puts up sign criticising foreign customers for 'bad manners'https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...or-bad-manners |
Originally Posted by italdesign
(Post 35514253)
It's interesting that people are rushing back to Japan despite its anti-foreigner sentiment during COVID.
With the exception of the rare but oft-meme'd "foreigners not welcome" signs or the occasional judgey local, Japanese customer service is (superficially) very good - I'll never know how much (silent) judgment I received for the time I accidentally took two steps onto tatami before taking off my slippers (how mortifying). I continued to receive excellent service throughout my stay, and frankly I don't care if all the staff at that ryokan now think of me or "my people" as Neanderthals based on this experience. As for China, most of the world has to figure out a visa, and then there's the payments / cellphone number / wechat issue, and the need for a VPN for various day-to-day websites, plus fearmongering / valid concerns (depending on your perspective) about politics and national security stuff, and even the domestic train ticket purchase and collection process sounds daunting. Overall it just feels like much more of a hassle. You have to really want to go to deal with all that. |
To be fair, there is much more to see in China just given its sheer geography and size. You just have to dig and work a little harder to get there. But I'm very sure the reward is worth the effort.
Reminds me of my trip to l'Algérie last year, arguably even less tourist friendly than China (expensive visa required for everyone, no tourist facilities). But the experience and authenticity of the place was worth it all in the end. |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 35517316)
I doubt you'll find this sign in Minnesota:
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/conten...ptimize=medium Japanese store puts up sign criticising foreign customers for 'bad manners'https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...or-bad-manners 2. I expect to see this in Paris, not so much Japan. |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 35517316)
I doubt you'll find this sign in Minnesota:
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/conten...ptimize=medium Japanese store puts up sign criticising foreign customers for 'bad manners'https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...or-bad-manners |
Originally Posted by m.y
(Post 35507197)
HK May number is 56%, but in May there were no Chinese group travelers to Japan (Chinese tourists accounted for almost of 1/3 of visitors in 2019), so Japan's recovery would've been even stronger (easily 80%+)
https://www.discoverhongkong.com/con...Arrivals-E.pdf The figures for the Hong Kong land borders in July shows Chinese visitors at 297.45 (10,000) vs. 440.3 (10,000) in 2018, that is 67.56%. It's not that different from the quoted figure for May from Japan of 68.48%. |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 35520300)
https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A0%94%E6%95...86%B1%E6%BD%AE
The figures for the Hong Kong land borders in July shows Chinese visitors at 297.45 (10,000) vs. 440.3 (10,000) in 2018, that is 67.56%. It's not that different from the quoted figure for May from Japan of 68.48%. |
Originally Posted by m.y
(Post 35521210)
Once again, in July there were no Chinese group tourists in Japan because of China's restriction. So Japan's figure would have been higher had there been Chinese group tourists.
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Originally Posted by mcjava
(Post 35523143)
Just the fact that the Chinese government restricts the countries to which its own citizens can go to on group tours is very telling. I live in China and love many, many aspects of China (in many ways China has been very very good to me), but this type of thing is hard to understand, and sure does not put a very friendly face on China. What other country in the world do you hear that citizens are restricted by their own government this way? Besides N. Korea?
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 35523284)
The USA
Not to have this discussion devolve into a US vs. China thing, but the current wait for interviews for Chinese to go get a US visa is about 12 months. |
Can you guys relate to the awesomeness (e.g. it's 330a, and you're still at Vics!)? |
Originally Posted by YariGuy
(Post 35523468)
Making such a comparison is disingenuous. C'mon, the US doesn't even have passport controls on exit. The US says it doesn't allow visits to certain countries, but practically the ban comes from the receiving country. Heck, it wasn't long ago that Americans could join tours to North Korea, or even now you can probably go to Cuba through say, Canada.
Not to have this discussion devolve into a US vs. China thing, but the current wait for interviews for Chinese to go get a US visa is about 12 months. |
Originally Posted by mcjava
(Post 35523143)
Just the fact that the Chinese government restricts the countries to which its own citizens can go to on group tours is very telling. I live in China and love many, many aspects of China (in many ways China has been very very good to me), but this type of thing is hard to understand, and sure does not put a very friendly face on China. What other country in the world do you hear that citizens are restricted by their own government this way? Besides N. Korea?
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