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Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35854980)
Lucky!
I have a new KFC close nearby where I live in Beijing that just opened. That closes at 10pm, and is the last thing to serve food in a ~15 mile radius. |
Originally Posted by mlin32
(Post 35858548)
How would you access Gmail, voice, and Drive without a VPN then ?
Voice -> I don't really see a need to use it. Text messages sent to email, which gets forwarded to Hotmail. For Google Voice calling, yes need VPN. I have a local China number which I use for everything in China. You can just call out on FaceTime Audio to anyone with an iPhone (or iCloud account set up with email) and this is not blocked. Except if you buy an iPhone in China, you can't use FaceTime Audio. Sad Drive -> VPN The VPN software works well nowadays, I had no interruptions, this isn't really an issue. I didn't even bother forwarding my Gmail to Hotmail this trip |
Originally Posted by mlin32
(Post 35852561)
Many restaurants have you order and pay all online using Weixin/Alipay only. Great......the prompts are only in chinese. I'm blindly clicking on what I think are right buttons to make and pay for my food order. It could very well be "empty your linked credit card" and I wouldn't know.
not disagreeing with your overall point (for short-term visitors, at least), though |
Originally Posted by Cryofern
(Post 35863461)
for this one, I've found that I can say that I don't have WeChat and they'll dig out a paper menu from somewhere
not disagreeing with your overall point (for short-term visitors, at least), though The paper menu at the Korean restaurant I go to most often is now about 8 months out of date and it really is just a piece of paper (i.e. not book style with pictures). Meanwhile, the WeChat version contains all information and condiment options you could possibly imagine. Plus, it's synched up with whatever dianping promotion they happen to be offering and their loyalty program, so I can do everything at once. On a slightly related note, my biggest beef with Chinese apps in general is that they try to incorporate tons of features (e.g. you can book plane tickets on baidu maps) that render them hopelessly confusing (our UI guy tells me the market demands this style btw). The menu miniprograms aren't really an exception, but once you get used to the lay of the land (they are more or less the same), it's pretty easy to focus on the core mission. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 35863662)
...Chinese apps in general is that they try to incorporate tons of features (e.g. you can book plane tickets on baidu maps) that render them hopelessly confusing (our UI guy tells me the market demands this style btw).
Totally a cultural thing of course. We/I prefer a clean, clutter-free UI, whereas in China it needs as many bells and whistles and bright, flashing pop-ups as possible. I am always fascinated when traveling with someone else (friend, taxi, etc.) and they use Baidu for guidance....with the 6-year old girl voice, and they never shut up. It's yapping constantly, never a brake...yap, yap, yap for the whole drive. My Sygic 'talks' maybe 10% of the Baidu amount. |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35863729)
This drives me CRAZY!
Totally a cultural thing of course. We/I prefer a clean, clutter-free UI, whereas in China it needs as many bells and whistles and bright, flashing pop-ups as possible. I am always fascinated when traveling with someone else (friend, taxi, etc.) and they use Baidu for guidance....with the 6-year old girl voice, and they never shut up. It's yapping constantly, never a brake...yap, yap, yap for the whole drive. My Sygic 'talks' maybe 10% of the Baidu amount. |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35863729)
This drives me CRAZY!
Totally a cultural thing of course. We/I prefer a clean, clutter-free UI, whereas in China it needs as many bells and whistles and bright, flashing pop-ups as possible. |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35863729)
I am always fascinated when traveling with someone else (friend, taxi, etc.) and they use Baidu for guidance....with the 6-year old girl voice, and they never shut
This one probably isn't China specific (i.e. all countries have clueless people), but it's something I've yet to encounter outside of China. Basically, a lot of Didi (and similar) drivers have become so completely reliant on map apps that the "common sense" area of their brains has seemingly been vacated. It's frustrating because most Chinese cities (especially the newer ones) feature idiot proof layouts. I occasionally find myself pointing out my destination to drivers and advising them to avail of obvious shortcuts or streets that don't have a lot of traffic. They typically respond by simply saying “导航”, sometimes twice for emphasis. This is often an unwinnable battle. |
My pet peeve with those apps is that the characters are usually so tiny as to be unreadable. This is actually true across the board for Chinese websites.
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Originally Posted by gudugan
(Post 35862644)
Gmail -> forward to Hotmail
Voice -> I don't really see a need to use it. Text messages sent to email, which gets forwarded to Hotmail. For Google Voice calling, yes need VPN. I have a local China number which I use for everything in China. You can just call out on FaceTime Audio to anyone with an iPhone (or iCloud account set up with email) and this is not blocked. Except if you buy an iPhone in China, you can't use FaceTime Audio. Sad Drive -> VPN The VPN software works well nowadays, I had no interruptions, this isn't really an issue. I didn't even bother forwarding my Gmail to Hotmail this trip VPN works well and is fast. I use VEEE+ for several years now. I still need Gmail. My company uses it. |
Originally Posted by 889
(Post 35864510)
My pet peeve with those apps is that the characters are usually so tiny as to be unreadable. This is actually true across the board for Chinese websites.
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My theory has always been that the sites are designed by those in their 20s who still have perfect eyesight.
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Slightly OT, but is it only me or Flyertalk is blocked in China as well? Never managed to open it from wifi/mobile data.
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Originally Posted by Rami Tamimi
(Post 35872581)
Slightly OT, but is it only me or Flyertalk is blocked in China as well? Never managed to open it from wifi/mobile data.
This is the dreaded BLOCKED message: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fd5b4310e0.png |
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