According to the Chinese government, yes. Sorry.

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Especially ridiculous given the fact that Chinese students can now return to the US. In the long run, China is only hurting itself with this.

Someone else addresses the family aspect of this. For others, China still represents an asymmetric bet that is likely to remain highly lucrative for the foreseeable future. The IRR of our family office’s investments in the US is just shy of 25% (which I am very pleased with). The IRR of our Chinese investments is… 170%. It is just too easy to “win” in this country.

The modern China is not rational. I don’t even understand what the objective of the government is anymore. The Xindongfang/New Oriental situation is causing needless harm to millions of people… for the sake of rhetoric? I don’t think we can expect China to act rationally with the long-term in mind. For this reason, I think 2023 is extremely optimistic (unfortunately).

The situation was similar even in 2019. The police could come to your apartment, raid everything, and send you AND anyone with you to the police station for “random” drug tests. In 2019, this happened to my friend in Shanghai. The police picked him up 1 month after returning and even called him “Mandy boy” because he had spent the last year living in the Mandarin Oriental residences. They then did a hair test and deported him for weed he smoked in France… China has been like this for a while. I think Shanghai peaked when I was in high school (mid 2010s) and has only gone down since then from a gov intrusion perspective.

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I, for once, want to go there to reunite with my wife.

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Is she a looker? Fly her to you is the easier path

By the way I learned in my latest quarantine just how little the government values the life of individuals. I was set to be released after 14 days but due to a technical glitch my code would not turn green. All of the other passengers on my inbound flight left no problem. Mine stayed yellow until day 19 which is today and it finally turned green at 11am. Now I’m out in shanghai getting drunk like a normal person on a Tuesday.

Nobody at any level of government gave a rat’s anus about an extra 5 days of prison.

”go sit in your room until it turns green”

Right now I don't think China is in a rush to open up, as most Asian countries are still closed, and multi-nationals are still investing in China. Most Chinese don't see a need to travel abroad and don't want foreigners in. Once countries in Asia starts to open up to travel, then more and more Chinese may realize that they are excluded and are trapped in a bubble. I've read there have been some grumbles by international companies in HK about the travel restrictions. Once the regional HQs move to Singapore, the Execs and their families leave, and the factories close, then maybe China will rethink their strategy.

In China, sacrificing the right of a few is a small price to pay for the benefit of society. I hope all expats learn that sooner vs later.

This has already been happening for years and China does not care. Look at the 2019 Partner class for Goldman Sachs APAC. Hong Kong went from dominating the list to barely getting ANY new partners (think it was 2?). The Shanghai GS Partners make pennies compared to their HK counterparts. China doesn't care IMO.

The majority of the population agrees with the strict quarantine policies for the greater good.

When I got out of hotel quarantine in Shanghai, I didn't check my QR code colour until I was ready to check into the next (normal) hotel. It turned out that it was red. Luckily they still let me check in using my quarantine release certificate instead of the QR code. I then filed an appeal with the QR code app (it appears that getting a red/yellow code is a common occurrence after quarantine so there is an established channel for this with minimal human interactions) and the code turned green by the next morning.

Sorry I should have specified that this is a Fujian health code and leaving the hotel without a green one was non negotiable. They’re in a lockdown there over a few hundred cases.

I know someone who just arrived into Xiamen and asked to do 21 days of isolated quarantine.

Since you got out in 19 days, shall I say congratulations?

Good to hear you are out and about!

My friend only had to do 14 days there earlier this month, but as soon as he arrived in Hangzhou, he got treated to 7 more days.

The rules are clear as mud and the health code is a black box run by the wizard of oz. the hotels have always said you can leave after 14 days but only if your code is green. The code rules that show on the app clearly state your code won’t turn green until day 22. However some people get it day 13,14,15,18,19,21,22,24,25.

Yes someone was stuck 25 days.

Clown world is in full force in Fujian. Tell your friend to watch his code carefully. Which is really not mentally healthy, but it could mean an early release.

Shanghai is the only place I’m aware of that doesn’t treat people to the extra week or even more. In shanghai you just record your temp twice a day and take nasal penetration day 16 and day 21.

Was your buddy by chance involved in some other extracurricular activities or groups of people that could have led to this? I know China is intense but I don’t think they just draw names out of a hat and go raid 5 star service apartments. I think he must have been “referred”