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Originally Posted by kb1992
(Post 34875156)
Even if 10-year visas are re-instated again, I doubt many foreigners want to visit China any time soon.
The regime has managed to destroy China's reputation and credibility in a matter of 3 years. For many people outside of China, they have no desire to visit the "evil" country that (they think) started the COVID virus, then blames everything to western "forces", disregards the dignity, fundamental freedom and lives of its own citizens. Not to mention constant lies one after another from its diplomats and MFA spokesmen/women. People remember those random lockdowns and horrible concentration camp style "COVID hospitals" and harshest crack down on any slight dissent. For PRC citizens studying or working abroad, and for those foreign citizens who have families and relatives in China, it's obviously a different situation. |
Originally Posted by kb1992
(Post 34875156)
Even if 10-year visas are re-instated again, I doubt many foreigners want to visit China any time soon.
The regime has managed to destroy China's reputation and credibility in a matter of 3 years. For many people outside of China, they have no desire to visit the "evil" country that (they think) started the COVID virus, then blames everything to western "forces", disregards the dignity, fundamental freedom and lives of its own citizens. Not to mention constant lies one after another from its diplomats and MFA spokesmen/women. People remember those random lockdowns and horrible concentration camp style "COVID hospitals" and harshest crack down on any slight dissent. For PRC citizens studying or working abroad, and for those foreign citizens who have families and relatives in China, it's obviously a different situation. 2. The above sentiment is now the norm for those in the US-aligned West, but is decidedly not true for most of the world. From a Cambridge University study published October this year: Key Findings The world has divided into liberal and illiberal spheres. Among the 1.2bn people who inhabit the world’s liberal democracies, three-quarters (75%) now hold a negative view of China, and 87% a negative view of Russia. However, for the 6.3bn people who live in the rest of the world, the picture is reversed. In these societies, 70% feel positively towards China, and 66% positively towards Russia. Perceived democratic shortcomings are associated with greater public receptivity towards authoritarian powers. A majority of the public is dissatisfied with democratic performance in 7 out of 10 (69% of) countries that are majority-favourable to Russia. Meanwhile, a majority feels positively towards China in three-quarters (73%) of countries that are majority-dissatisfied with how their democracy is performing. China is now ahead in the developing world. For the first time ever, slightly more people in developing countries (62%) are favourable towards China than towards the United States (61%). This is especially so among the 4.6bn people living in countries supported by the Belt and Road Initiative, among whom almost two-thirds hold a positive view of China, compared to just a quarter (27%) in non-participating countries. However this boost in approval across the Global South has come at the cost of a dramatic collapse in support in developed nations. Whereas just five years ago, two in five (42%) western citizens held a positive view of China, today the figure is just half that amount (23%). Russia too has lost its “fringe” support within western democracies. Over the course of the last decade, the proportion of western citizens with a positive view of Russia had already fallen from two in five (39%) to less than a quarter (23%) by the eve of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine – and now stands at just one in eight (12%). Russia has also lost any “leverage points” among formerly sympathetic European countries, including Greece (down from 69% to 30% favourable), Hungary (from 45% to 25%) and Italy (from 38% to 14%). In spite of Russian efforts at fostering disinformation and ties to extremist parties, the country enjoys little support from within western electorates. However, the real terrain of Russia’s international influence lies outside of the West. 75% of respondents in South Asia, 68% in Francophone Africa, 62% in Southeast Asia continue to view the country positively in spite of the events of this year. A World Divided: Russia, China and the West - Bennett Institute for Public Policy (cam.ac.uk) |
Originally Posted by boat stuck
(Post 34875556)
2. The above sentiment is now the norm for those in the US-aligned West, but is decidedly not true for most of the world.
Anyone with half a brain can separate China from the Chinese government. Unfortunately most of the world doesn’t have half a brain anymore |
Between the announcement of no quarantine and implementation on Jan 8, has anyone entered / plan to enter China?
I've seen anecdotes of people arguing with airport personnel (in Nanjing) and getting let go. I personally have delayed entry until after the 8th but it must really suck to still have to quarantine given it's basically a dead policy. |
Originally Posted by YariGuy
(Post 34878969)
Between the announcement of no quarantine and implementation on Jan 8, has anyone entered / plan to enter China?
I've seen anecdotes of people arguing with airport personnel (in Nanjing) and getting let go. I personally have delayed entry until after the 8th but it must really suck to still have to quarantine given it's basically a dead policy. |
I am planning to fly as soon as my meetings can be fixed.
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Still not 100% sure what's the status of border re-opening between China (esp Guangzhou & Shenzhen) and HK.
This site says that "From January 8, 2023, residents of Hong Kong aiming to travel to China will no longer be subject to PCR testing and will not need to quarantine" (bolding is mine). AFAICT Lo Wu is not re-opening these days, nor is the bullet train to SZ North & GZ. Not sure now is the best time to a foreigner to visit guangdong from HK. Anyone biting the bullet these days? Any feedback? |
Originally Posted by maalloc
(Post 34895718)
Still not 100% sure what's the status of border re-opening between China (esp Guangzhou & Shenzhen) and HK.
This site says that "From January 8, 2023, residents of Hong Kong aiming to travel to China will no longer be subject to PCR testing and will not need to quarantine" (bolding is mine). AFAICT Lo Wu is not re-opening these days, nor is the bullet train to SZ North & GZ. Not sure now is the best time to a foreigner to visit guangdong from HK. Anyone biting the bullet these days? Any feedback? https://www.hk01.com/社會新聞/854054/通關-...22323;北 And at least for now even HK residents still need to have a negative Covid test to travel to the mainland. At least the tests are cheap and fast--12 hours turnaround for USD $30 and 24 hours for USD $15 or so. https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C...94%B6%E8%B2%BB |
Originally Posted by maalloc
(Post 34895718)
Still not 100% sure what's the status of border re-opening between China (esp Guangzhou & Shenzhen) and HK.
This site says that "From January 8, 2023, residents of Hong Kong aiming to travel to China will no longer be subject to PCR testing and will not need to quarantine" (bolding is mine). AFAICT Lo Wu is not re-opening these days, nor is the bullet train to SZ North & GZ. Not sure now is the best time to a foreigner to visit guangdong from HK. Anyone biting the bullet these days? Any feedback? |
For land crossings there's a quota and you reserve a time slot for your crossing on a Government website.
Lo Wu is closed due to renovation. https://www.quotabooking.gov.hk/cbt_...m/index_hk.jsp |
Originally Posted by maalloc
(Post 34895718)
AFAICT Lo Wu is not re-opening these days, nor is the bullet train to SZ North & GZ.
Not sure now is the best time to a foreigner to visit guangdong from HK. |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 34897483)
Futian would be seem to be the best option. It has the highest quota out of all the land borders (35,000 per day) and it has a high-speed railway station with direct connection to Guangzhou and the rest of China. Like Lo Wu it's also on the East Rail line.
Because I expect foreign visa applications to be completely swamped these days, I was hoping to simply get a visa on arrival to be able to cross to SZ this week… which unfortunately rules out futian AFAIK |
Originally Posted by maalloc
(Post 34897725)
True.
Because I expect foreign visa applications to be completely swamped these days, I was hoping to simply get a visa on arrival to be able to cross to SZ this week… which unfortunately rules out futian AFAIK https://www.chinadiscovery.com/shenz...n-arrival.html |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 34897754)
I'm not sure how accurate the following site is, but it lists Futian (among other checkpoints):
https://www.chinadiscovery.com/shenz...n-arrival.html Internet seems to disagree re: futian checkpoint… I’ll try to find some info downtown, at worst it’s just an 1h ride to see for myself. |
You can't just decide to ride up to Futian and cross over on the spur of the moment. You first need to reserve a time slot within the available quota on the Government website.
https://www.quotabooking.gov.hk/cbt_...m/index_hk.jsp Remember too not all nationalities are eligible for the Shenzhen visa, and it's especially expensive for Americans at around RMB1000. |
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