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Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento
(Post 21244923)
Also, Yunnan isn't another SE Asia gateway? I could definitely see charter flights in China from just about any city going to Bangkok, but do you notice more Vietnamese/Thai restaurants/bric-a-brac shops in Nanning than elsewhere in southern China?
Between 2008 and the recent NPC, funds were largely directed to national infrastructure, but Guangxi started to draw serious attention about 1 year ago, and is now front and center. By way of example, a certain airline that recently started service between its home base and Shanghai was only able to do so because it initiated Nanning service first. I'll try to grab you some pics of the street food this evening. It really is quite nice, but y100 for street food is rather insane. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21245633)
This is now my 4th "5 year plan" in China, and I've started to notice the pattern. In the late 90s, Shanghai got all of the love (60% of the world's construction equipment). Between 2001 and 2008, Beijing received the same favor... bolstered by the Olympics, of course.
your "favor" theory sounds a bit far-fetched.. Shanghai held Expo in 2010 too and the scale of construction in Shanghai before the Expo was just beyond imagination. The Bund was basically shut down for an overhaul style construction.
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21245633)
Between 2008 and the recent NPC, funds were largely directed to national infrastructure, but Guangxi started to draw serious attention about 1 year ago, and is now front and center. By way of example, a certain airline that recently started service between its home base and Shanghai was only able to do so because it initiated Nanning service first.
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Originally Posted by guoguo914
(Post 21246230)
well.. it's the 12th "5 year plan" currently..
your "favor" theory sounds a bit far-fetched.. Shanghai held Expo in 2010 too and the scale of construction in Shanghai before the Expo was just beyond imagination. The Bund was basically shut down for an overhaul style construction. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21246331)
I said it was MY 4th 5-year plan because I wasn't around during the preceding plans. Expo was nothing in comparison to SH 95-01 or Beijing during the Olympic run up. If you really care (I don't), I'd be happy to dig up some hard data in support of my points.
well, I don't think any hard data can really quantify the scale of construction or even, in this case, compare two cities given their heterogeneity. maybe infrastructure investment in RMB is the least-bad measure although it does not captures the intensity. |
Originally Posted by guoguo914
(Post 21246451)
sorry to miss your point.
well, I don't think any hard data can really quantify the scale of construction or even, in this case, compare two cities given their heterogeneity. maybe infrastructure investment in RMB is the least-bad measure although it does not captures the intensity. Insofar as the rest of the country is concerned, HSR has been a boon to ~50 cities, but there hasn't been a lot of isolated attention (from the central government) to many of them. Nanning is a clear exception to this rule. Check back here in 2 years, lest you don't believe me. I am absolutely certain about its bright future. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21245633)
I'll try to grab you some pics of the street food this evening. It really is quite nice, but y100 for street food is rather insane.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4618/8fp8.jpg A plate of lamb will set you back y80, and they are pretty good at figuring out sides that will push the bill to y100. This is very expensive for street food, but I must say that it is the best cuisine I've experienced in Nanning... apart from the VN restaurant behind the MixC, which I will plug the next time an FTer actually visits Nanning. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21249699)
When I arrived, they were still setting up shop, but you don't need to have a great deal of imagination to envision the finished product:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4618/8fp8.jpg A plate of lamb will set you back y80, and they are pretty good at figuring out sides that will push the bill to y100. This is very expensive for street food, but I must say that it is the best cuisine I've experienced in Nanning... apart from the VN restaurant behind the MixC, which I will plug the next time an FTer actually visits Nanning. Is that just a dolled up bbq place, the types ubiquitous in the 大陆? Dolled up because it looks like that display case can be kept cool... Also, just lamb for 80 kuai? No vegetables/starch? Is it that there isn't much street food in Nanning, and/or does every option (meat/vegetables/other snacks) cost a lot? Think that even with your Chinese skills you are subject to tiered pricing? Like I said, food is a priority in China, so I'm genuinely curious. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21244383)
Beijing is determined to transform this city into something great (e.g. Nanning is China's official gateway to SE Asia, and the new HSR will make it blissfully convenient to access both the PRD and Beihai).
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21244383)
-Mandarin speaking ability is a pretty important feather in these parts. During my time in Beijing and Shanghai, I let my skills slide a bit because almost all meetings take place in English. This is not the case in Nanning; in spite of the fact that my colleagues speak passable English, none of the guys we meet with do, so if I'm not on my toes, there's a danger that we will fail to convey the proper message.
About the Chinese there, is their local dialect mutually intelligible with Cantonese, or is it not? |
Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento
(Post 21250045)
Thanks for the photo, moondog.
Is that just a dolled up bbq place, the types ubiquitous in the 大陆? Dolled up because it looks like that display case can be kept cool... Also, just lamb for 80 kuai? No vegetables/starch? Is it that there isn't much street food in Nanning, and/or does every option (meat/vegetables/other snacks) cost a lot? Think that even with your Chinese skills you are subject to tiered pricing? Like I said, food is a priority in China, so I'm genuinely curious. I don't feel that I'm being subjected to tiered pricing because my colleagues are also quoted the exact same y156. It seems that if you want quality food in Nanning, you need to be prepared to pay for it. Insofar as language is concerned, similar to Shanghai and Beijing, Nanning is a "working city", meaning that the majority of people here come from other places. As such, 普通话 is the primary language, and accents are fairly standard. But, I would say that at least half of the people in these parts speak Cantonese as well. |
I've started reviewing NN restaurants on TA
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserR...ECK_RATES_CONT
There is a typo in the above review that I can't figure out how to edit; please accept my apologies. People in these parts think that Babel is god's gift to Nanning, but I can't recall ever having such bad food during my life to date. In light of the fact that Nanning food is pretty dreadful on the whole, I tend to pad my ratings, which means that one star is simply abominable. Like I said in my review, the staff is so friendly that I want to give them a chance to improve. |
Wow! Thanks moondog for thread about Nanning. I was in Nanning and Beihai many many years ago. I can't imagine what Nanning looks like now. Enjoy your reports so far...hope to revisit Nanning some day.
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Originally Posted by Akiestar
(Post 21207092)
So finally, I have arrived in Nanning! :D
While I'm happy that I actually made here (there was a real fear that I wouldn't), I was not happy with how delayed we were. We sat on the ground for 1.5 hours without a proper disclosure of the reasons why, but I presume it was congestion at SZX. :mad: Unfortunately, the delay meant that I'm probably going to squeeze my visit into two days instead of three. If the weather improves, I hope to visit Wuming Rock tomorrow morning, then probably head to Nanhu (if I don't do that today). Definitely doing Detian on Monday. One thing that I noticed though: at least on the highway, Nanning is really clean! :P |
Originally Posted by imm2b
(Post 21258785)
Gary Leff's blog has an interesting post about China's air traffic control today.
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Several months in, so here's another update. I miss Shanghai quite a bit: the food, the people (believe it or not, if you spend enough time there, you can find the good apples), and the social life.
Within about 6 weeks, I expect to have our Nanning operation in good enough shape in order to permit me to split time between here and SH. Nanning really isn't that bad. I've been able to find acceptable food over time, my Chinese has become stellar once again (it's amazing how little need there is for Mandarin skills in BJ/SH these days), and I've made a handful of friends. That having been said, there really isn't a whole lot to do here. This evening, when I was eating my 串 at my local crappy restaurant, I noted that almost all of the patrons there were demonstrably rich (e.g. fancy watches, purses, glasses, etc), but they were still resigned to spending their Sunday night hanging out in third world environment. The good news is that I'm doing everything in my power to improve the quality of their lives. In particular, we managed to convince a very cool Filipino singer/guitarist to come over here and perform at two of our client venues (plus Yangshuo during the slow days), and the response has been amazing. We are also bringing in beer and wine that is not disgusting. It's all about baby steps. In short, within 2 years time, Nanning will actually be worth visiting. By the way, if anyone wants to stop by the ASEAN Expo between 9/3 and 9/6, I'd be happy to provide invites. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 21293127)
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That having been said, there really isn't a whole lot to do here. This evening, when I was eating my 串 at my local crappy restaurant, I noted that almost all of the patrons there were demonstrably rich (e.g. fancy watches, purses, glasses, etc), but they were still resigned to spending their Sunday night hanging out in third world environment. ... You can take a boy out of rural China but you cna't take the rural China roots out of a boy. |
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