Enhanced Patdown - Video and Escalation procedure
Aug 25, 2009 | 3:34 pm
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Aug 25, 2009 | 3:35 pm
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"Do you want to fly today, prole? How about I call over this police officer and have you arrested for interfering with the screening process?"
Aug 25, 2009 | 3:35 pm
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Thank you very much to the original poster! Yesterday at LAS, I was basically sexually assaulted by a female TSA agent. For some unknown reason, everytime she pressed the wand into my breast, it alarmed. First off, I have never had anyone press the wand into my breast. So, she felt she had to do the grope. She groped me 4 times! She even felt my nipple with her fingers. The hand was not backwards as it is in the video. I told her that she owed me dinner!
I have called the LAS number on the complaint card and will let you know what excuse they give.
I am so sick and tired of having to battle with the TSA just to keep my self and my property safe from their abuses!
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These people are horrible!!!
I have called the LAS number on the complaint card and will let you know what excuse they give.
I am so sick and tired of having to battle with the TSA just to keep my self and my property safe from their abuses!
.......
These people are horrible!!!
"Do you want to fly today, prole? How about I call over this police officer and have you arrested for interfering with the screening process?"
as the pax is not interfering at all but rather simply stating that they believe proper security procedures are not being followed. as to a leo, yes have one present but as i mentioned above, the pax calls the leo over as a witness
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Aug 25, 2009 | 4:19 pm
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Aug 25, 2009 | 4:21 pm
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Thank you very much to the original poster! Yesterday at LAS, I was basically sexually assaulted by a female TSA agent. For some unknown reason, everytime she pressed the wand into my breast, it alarmed. First off, I have never had anyone press the wand into my breast. So, she felt she had to do the grope. She groped me 4 times! She even felt my nipple with her fingers. The hand was not backwards as it is in the video. I told her that she owed me dinner!
I have called the LAS number on the complaint card and will let you know what excuse they give.
I am so sick and tired of having to battle with the TSA just to keep my self and my property safe from their abuses!
I travel with a CPAP and sometimes a random agent decides that it is ok to treat it anyway they want. I have several health issues and must keep my CPAP as clean as possible, as I am at severe risk of infections. I finally found zip lock bags that are the right size so that I can put the machine into a baggie. However, this week (again at LAS), they decided that it would be fine if they took the CPAP out of the baggie and then when they attempted to put it back in, they rubbed the outside of the baggie (that had been in the shoe bin) onto the machine. It was right by the nozzle that the air goes thru, so it could not have been at a worse part of the machine. In addition, the lazy, slovenly TSA agent dropped a part of the machine that is meant to cap closed the holes on the machine on the ground. Now, since I am not allowed to travel with liquids, I did not have any alcohol to clean it, so I had to wait until I arrived at my final destination, find a grocery store (at midnite in the bible belt) and clean it so that I could use it to sleep with.
These people are horrible!!!
I have called the LAS number on the complaint card and will let you know what excuse they give.
I am so sick and tired of having to battle with the TSA just to keep my self and my property safe from their abuses!
I travel with a CPAP and sometimes a random agent decides that it is ok to treat it anyway they want. I have several health issues and must keep my CPAP as clean as possible, as I am at severe risk of infections. I finally found zip lock bags that are the right size so that I can put the machine into a baggie. However, this week (again at LAS), they decided that it would be fine if they took the CPAP out of the baggie and then when they attempted to put it back in, they rubbed the outside of the baggie (that had been in the shoe bin) onto the machine. It was right by the nozzle that the air goes thru, so it could not have been at a worse part of the machine. In addition, the lazy, slovenly TSA agent dropped a part of the machine that is meant to cap closed the holes on the machine on the ground. Now, since I am not allowed to travel with liquids, I did not have any alcohol to clean it, so I had to wait until I arrived at my final destination, find a grocery store (at midnite in the bible belt) and clean it so that I could use it to sleep with.
These people are horrible!!!
Aug 26, 2009 | 5:29 am
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See. Outrageous abuse wherever we look. But I am preaching to the choir. 
If any of you have a blog or other space where they can host the TSA video link and link to the page with the relevant info regarding enhanced pat down being a last resort technique, that would surely be very helpful.
Thanks,
Till
If any of you have a blog or other space where they can host the TSA video link and link to the page with the relevant info regarding enhanced pat down being a last resort technique, that would surely be very helpful.
Thanks,
Till
Aug 26, 2009 | 9:05 am
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Aug 26, 2009 | 9:29 am
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See. Outrageous abuse wherever we look. But I am preaching to the choir.
If any of you have a blog or other space where they can host the TSA video link and link to the page with the relevant info regarding enhanced pat down being a last resort technique, that would surely be very helpful.
Thanks,
Till
If any of you have a blog or other space where they can host the TSA video link and link to the page with the relevant info regarding enhanced pat down being a last resort technique, that would surely be very helpful.
Thanks,
Till
Aug 26, 2009 | 10:21 am
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Aug 26, 2009 | 12:00 pm
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Aug 26, 2009 | 1:46 pm
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Aug 26, 2009 | 2:16 pm
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Thanks for your link, too. Together these two pieces of info will hopefully educate a lot of the flying public. Only informed people can stand up against this crap effectively.
Till
Oct 2, 2009 | 7:32 pm
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One of our fellow members reports to have received the enhanced pat down at SFO when refusing the scanner.
See here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12491697-post82.html
In my eyes this is an abuse of the standard procedure. According to the TSA the enhanced pat down will only be used if other methods have failed to resolve the alarm. See link in first post of this very thread.
That means if you refuse the MMW/BWI scanner, they should give you a WTMD (walk through metal detector). If that gives an alarm you should be given the opportunity to check your pockets or explain that you have a steel shin. If that doesn't solve it, you should get a normal pat down. If that still doesn't solve it, you should finally get the enhanced pat down.
If there is no alarm, they should just let you go on your merry way. Their argument is probably that the BWI provides increased security. It's alternative and equivalent is the enhanced pat down. Personally, I don't agree and find both methods too invasive. However, I'd rather go for an enhanced pat down and have them make a mistake so I can throw sand in their gears. It also takes more manpower and I am sure no biometric measures are connected to my file.
Using the enhanced pat down as retaliation or equivalent to the scanner without giving you less invasive methods before is an abuse, in my eyes.
What do you think? Legal opinions? Personal opinions?
Till
See here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12491697-post82.html
In my eyes this is an abuse of the standard procedure. According to the TSA the enhanced pat down will only be used if other methods have failed to resolve the alarm. See link in first post of this very thread.
That means if you refuse the MMW/BWI scanner, they should give you a WTMD (walk through metal detector). If that gives an alarm you should be given the opportunity to check your pockets or explain that you have a steel shin. If that doesn't solve it, you should get a normal pat down. If that still doesn't solve it, you should finally get the enhanced pat down.
If there is no alarm, they should just let you go on your merry way. Their argument is probably that the BWI provides increased security. It's alternative and equivalent is the enhanced pat down. Personally, I don't agree and find both methods too invasive. However, I'd rather go for an enhanced pat down and have them make a mistake so I can throw sand in their gears. It also takes more manpower and I am sure no biometric measures are connected to my file.
Using the enhanced pat down as retaliation or equivalent to the scanner without giving you less invasive methods before is an abuse, in my eyes.
What do you think? Legal opinions? Personal opinions?
Till
Oct 3, 2009 | 9:11 am
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One of our fellow members reports to have received the enhanced pat down at SFO when refusing the scanner.
See here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12491697-post82.html
In my eyes this is an abuse of the standard procedure. According to the TSA the enhanced pat down will only be used if other methods have failed to resolve the alarm. See link in first post of this very thread.
That means if you refuse the MMW/BWI scanner, they should give you a WTMD (walk through metal detector). If that gives an alarm you should be given the opportunity to check your pockets or explain that you have a steel shin. If that doesn't solve it, you should get a normal pat down. If that still doesn't solve it, you should finally get the enhanced pat down.
If there is no alarm, they should just let you go on your merry way. Their argument is probably that the BWI provides increased security. It's alternative and equivalent is the enhanced pat down. Personally, I don't agree and find both methods too invasive. However, I'd rather go for an enhanced pat down and have them make a mistake so I can throw sand in their gears. It also takes more manpower and I am sure no biometric measures are connected to my file.
Using the enhanced pat down as retaliation or equivalent to the scanner without giving you less invasive methods before is an abuse, in my eyes.
What do you think? Legal opinions? Personal opinions?
Till
See here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12491697-post82.html
In my eyes this is an abuse of the standard procedure. According to the TSA the enhanced pat down will only be used if other methods have failed to resolve the alarm. See link in first post of this very thread.
That means if you refuse the MMW/BWI scanner, they should give you a WTMD (walk through metal detector). If that gives an alarm you should be given the opportunity to check your pockets or explain that you have a steel shin. If that doesn't solve it, you should get a normal pat down. If that still doesn't solve it, you should finally get the enhanced pat down.
If there is no alarm, they should just let you go on your merry way. Their argument is probably that the BWI provides increased security. It's alternative and equivalent is the enhanced pat down. Personally, I don't agree and find both methods too invasive. However, I'd rather go for an enhanced pat down and have them make a mistake so I can throw sand in their gears. It also takes more manpower and I am sure no biometric measures are connected to my file.
Using the enhanced pat down as retaliation or equivalent to the scanner without giving you less invasive methods before is an abuse, in my eyes.
What do you think? Legal opinions? Personal opinions?
Till
Oct 3, 2009 | 4:48 pm
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Super interesting link. Many thanks!
It looks like section 242 could apply because they are depriving us from certain rights (degrading situations, privacy, not being touched) under color of law.
Section 245 1e grants federal protection to activities such as traveling or using a common carrier.
Sometimes I really think I should have studied law or economy.
till
It looks like section 242 could apply because they are depriving us from certain rights (degrading situations, privacy, not being touched) under color of law.
Section 245 1e grants federal protection to activities such as traveling or using a common carrier.
Sometimes I really think I should have studied law or economy.
till