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Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 11520405)
Wow.
There are so many accusations in that article, I'm not even going to try and quote all of them. When you have a poorly managed, poorly trained and an unprofessional work force attempting to do a difficult job you should expect some pushback. The first step is to stop the "Dragnet Checkpoint" mentallity and get back to the core job, keeping dangerous things off of airplanes. It is clear that TSA has failed in this regard. A top down house cleaning is needed at TSA. |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 11522316)
Don't we have a TSO in Denver around here somewhere? From what I remember, he posts occasionally and is pretty fair.
Mike |
There are some regular posters in this Forum who regularly poke fun at the points some people here make. While I do agree there are some ridiculous/outrageous posts and threads made, the point here I want to make is that a select few seem to feel the anti-TSA sentiment is limited to people who post here.
Let me share some of the comments from the linked article and enlighten some people. wow, lots of people crying about bad work conditions with the TSA in Denver. here is a bit of advice. its a free market if you dont like your job QUIT! (find another job first) there is nobody keeping you there but yourself and you are not ENTITLED to your TSA job. This behavior doesn't surprise me. The TSA screeners have been torturing us for several years despite my complaints to the TSA administration and several members of the United States Congress. I feel like a criminal when I fly due to all the searching. It sounds like it is actually all for show. My brother is an air line pilot and says there is no ramp security so why all the fuss in the terminal. no cargo is inspected, and neither are the food trucks etc. any joe schmoe can basically get on to the ramp areas if they wanted to and put anything into a suitcase then load it so what the heck huh. TSA stands for Thousands Standing Around I am always nervous whenever I fly because of things like this. I was at the airport about 2 weeks ago and when they were scanning my backpack, the guy wasn't even paying attention. He was telling a joke about some lady to another guy. The only people I've seen that pay attention and do what they are supposed to are the people who when you start the security process look at your ticket and your ID to make sure they're valid. I believe the TSA is there only to make us feel like flying is safe. It's window dressing. Yes I think most TSA agents do a great job screening but we have heard for years stories about how cargo is NOT inspected and look at the freakos and losers that work for cargo loading companies. The thing that keeps us the safest is the pilot and copilot, because a good pilot will walk around, inspect, and examine his craft before he takes it up. He doesn't sit in the cabin like a truck driver waiting for his load, because he wants to arrive alive just like you. |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 11522316)
Don't we have a TSO in Denver around here somewhere? From what I remember, he posts occasionally and is pretty fair.
Mike
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11522458)
Which reminds me of something I've been meaning to comment on: Several of our TSA posters have not visited recently. I am hoping that this is because they have made a personal choice not to participate and not because they were pressured by their employer to stop participating.
On that note, I learned a new acronym the other day: NCIH. It stands for No Chance in H***, and is apparently an unofficial marking added to some employees' personnel files, to be reviewed should the employee ever be eligible for promotion. As to the Op; I'm not from Denver. Based on my experience and correspondence with other uniformed TSA employees, this problem is not exactly unique to Denver. |
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
Passenger loads are down a lot. As a result, many airports are over their FTE, and management is under pressure to reduce the workforce.
From a USA Today article: "Oakland International Airoprt director Steve Grossman said that many airport officials believe the TSA started gate screening because the sharp decline in air travel has left them with few passengers to scrutinize. "I do have screeners standing around," Grossman said." |
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
Passenger loads are down a lot. As a result, many airports are over their FTE, and management is under pressure to reduce the workforce. Hypothetically, this might create an opportunity for management to attempt to clear out trouble makers, or anyone they deem to be disliked, disfavored, or dangerous to the current regime. It may also make for fewer promotion opportunities, which could result in a greater chance of a disfavored employee being passed over when the limited opportunities come around.
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
On that note, I learned a new acronym the other day: NCIH. It stands for No Chance in H***, and is apparently an unofficial marking added to some employees' personnel files, to be reviewed should the employee ever be eligible for promotion.
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
As to the Op; I'm not from Denver. Based on my experience and correspondence with other uniformed TSA employees, this problem is not exactly unique to Denver.
The article is really first in its kind. Most stations take the low-hanging fruit in the failed Red Team tests and report on that, but this insight is landmark. I'm not going to say it's going to instantly turn things around, but it does set a precedent and might turn a few heads from the usual TSA-bashing done in the media. |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 11522316)
Don't we have a TSO in Denver around here somewhere? From what I remember, he posts occasionally and is pretty fair.
Mike Some TSO's have stopped posting and I do hope they are for personal reasons, but I don't get the feeling that is always the case. Bart posted for a long time in this forum, but left at the end of 2007. He does still, however, post regularly other places. |
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
As to the Op; I'm not from Denver. Based on my experience and correspondence with other uniformed TSA employees, this problem is not exactly unique to Denver. FSD's receive their directions from HQ and it should be pretty much the same directions for each activity. Some will implement policy better than others but the underlying intent will still remain. The Denver report probably mirrors most airports to some degree. I suggest that the problem is much greater than the report indicates. Just saying... |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 11522967)
Paging, eyecue.
Some TSO's have stopped posting and I do hope they are for personal reasons, but I don't get the feeling that is always the case. Bart posted for a long time in this forum, but left at the end of 2007. He does still, however, post regularly other places. |
Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11522784)
Passenger loads are down a lot. As a result, many airports are over their FTE, and management is under pressure to reduce the workforce. Hypothetically, this might create an opportunity for management to attempt to clear out trouble makers, or anyone they deem to be disliked, disfavored, or dangerous to the current regime. It may also make for fewer promotion opportunities, which could result in a greater chance of a disfavored employee being passed over when the limited opportunities come around.
Or actually use the employees to screen for real dangers, but I doubt that will actually happen. |
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 11523480)
I'm confused. If there are too many employees for the work to be done fire some of them. That is what layoffs are for. Continued employment is not a right.
Or actually use the employees to screen for real dangers, but I doubt that will actually happen. 100% screening of everyone would be a step forward on the road to preventing bad things from getting on aircraft. |
The TSA is just one big clusterfck.
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Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 11522580)
There are some regular posters in this Forum who regularly poke fun at the points some people here make. While I do agree there are some ridiculous/outrageous posts and threads made, the point here I want to make is that a select few seem to feel the anti-TSA sentiment is limited to people who post here.
Let me share some of the comments from the linked article and enlighten some people. <quotes SNIPPED> The next time anyone is glib enough to say that the anti-TSA comments merely come from this forum, THINK before you say something so incorrect. Here’s another one I thought was interesting:
Originally Posted by News Article Commenter
Take an industry which had been doing reasonably well on a competitive bid basis and make it a federal agency--what do you expect?
The federal government is equipped to fight wars, interpret and make laws, and to a limited extent regulate commerce. Constitutionally, that's it. Any industry they try to nationalize is doomed to complete failure, like the TSA. In private industry you succeed by finding and keeping the best people possible, and making the best of the best managers. This is no indictment of the screeners, but federalizing that industry gave "workfare" a dumping ground; and it is common knowledge that the Peter Principle rules federal bureaucracy--take the most inept person off the line job and promote them to a position where they can do the most harm. I'm really not surprised. |
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Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 11522316)
Don't we have a TSO in Denver around here somewhere? From what I remember, he posts occasionally and is pretty fair.
Mike |
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