TSA terrorizes the homeless!
May 14, 2007 | 7:05 pm
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So do you know what these magic liquids are? Did you witness the explosion? Or were you just told by the trainer that if you mix Hawline and Chertite something bad happens?
May 14, 2007 | 7:20 pm
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May 14, 2007 | 7:20 pm
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Way to miss the point. My toiletries should go to me, the person who paid for them, not to the individual or organization of a government authority's choosing. If my items are so dangerous that they must be confiscated, they should be logged as evidence and then destroyed safely as hazardous waste at such time they are no longer needed as evidence. If you want to donate to charity, please do so with funds and property from your own pocket. I will choose to donate to the charities of my own choosing, and I will almost certainly donate something useful to the homeless (cash) rather than something useless (SK-II skin care products).
May 14, 2007 | 8:26 pm
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If my items are so dangerous that they must be confiscated, they should be logged as evidence and then destroyed safely as hazardous waste at such time they are no longer needed as evidence. If you want to donate to charity, please do so with funds and property from your own pocket. I will choose to donate to the charities of my own choosing, and I will almost certainly donate something useful to the homeless (cash) rather than something useless (SK-II skin care products).
Oh, I forgot - due process went out the window on 9/11.
May 14, 2007 | 11:23 pm
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May 15, 2007 | 1:04 am
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Okay once again its the people on this board that insist that TSA is telling people that they cant take liquids on a plane because they may be explosive therefore they should be treated as hazmat. If they were treated as hazmat, as you well know, the cost to dispose of them would be astronomical. The purpose of the no liquid over 3.4 oz is to prevent any possible binary explosives from getting on. It is a deterrent to someone thinking about it. Remember in hazmat training that if you know that it is, or you discover that it is, then it is YOUR responsibility to properly dispose of it. Since we dont know and we are not allowed to know then it is treated as a plain liquid. ORM/D wont make it either.
The simplest solution to the TSA giving what they confiscate to anyone is to uncap the container before disposing of it.
May 15, 2007 | 6:01 am
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I guess that Texas is more environmentally conscious than Colorado 
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:Before this thread goes too far with some of the inaccuracies, TSA is held to the same standards as any other federal agency in terms of HAZMAT disposal, health guidelines, etc.
Every night, we have a couple TSOs who are specifically trained in HAZMAT who collect all the HAZMAT at screening checkpoints and checked baggage screening locations. They make sure that these items are properly disposed in appropriate containers that are marked in accordance with federal standards (the various classes of HAZMAT) and are stored in an area that has already been inspected and approved as appropriate for temporary storage of HAZMAT. Then every so often (I don't know the exact frequency since I am not HAZMAT-certified), this HAZMAT is transported off of airport property to a designated location for the permanent disposal of HAZMAT.
Every night, we have a couple TSOs who are specifically trained in HAZMAT who collect all the HAZMAT at screening checkpoints and checked baggage screening locations. They make sure that these items are properly disposed in appropriate containers that are marked in accordance with federal standards (the various classes of HAZMAT) and are stored in an area that has already been inspected and approved as appropriate for temporary storage of HAZMAT. Then every so often (I don't know the exact frequency since I am not HAZMAT-certified), this HAZMAT is transported off of airport property to a designated location for the permanent disposal of HAZMAT.
May 15, 2007 | 9:10 am
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May 15, 2007 | 9:59 am
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Don't objects that the TSA confiscates (clippers with nail files, etc.) get sold on eBay? I saw a large article on this somewhere and then a 60 Minutes about it as well.
May 15, 2007 | 10:10 am
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Sorry to play the skeptic here, but even if it looks like that's what they're doing, in reality what you have is:
1) the actual explosions are caused by pre-hidden solid explosive charges, or
2) the liquid explosives were created in controlled lab conditions which are virtually impossible to replicate on board an aircraft
I wouldn't put it past DHS management to pull the wool over the eyes of their own employees.
May 15, 2007 | 11:04 am
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I have always had a difficult time in trying to reconcile this "demo" with what I have read concerning the feasibility of creating a liquid binary explosive.
May 15, 2007 | 11:36 am
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If DHS really wants everyone to believe this risk is valid, I challenge them to do a public demonstration for the newsmedia, where they take two or more liquids/gels, without identifying what they are (duh), mix and prep them outside controlled conditions (like in a sample lav), without showing the actual mixing process (duh), then immediately use that very sample to cause an explosion without the aid of any detonators or other devices which would be prohibited items - right in front of the media.
Want us to believe it? Then prove it!
May 15, 2007 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Since we dont know and we are not allowed to know