View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree with the action undertaken by MKEbound?
Agree
766
75.92%
Disagree
144
14.27%
Neither agree nor disagree
75
7.43%
Not sure
24
2.38%
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I was detained at the TSA checkpoint for about 25 minutes today
#1471
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: IND
Programs: AA LT Gold, 1.5MM, Marriot
Posts: 1,307
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
Thanks for today's lesson... already got an A in that class though.
GG
#1472
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: NW Gold, '06. Good times.
Posts: 7,364
Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool
Um... unless i'm missing something here, the OP WANTED a reaction. He got a reaction, even though it was more than he expected.
I don't want a reaction. I just want to be heard. There's a profound difference. I'm not very active in voicing myself politically but the TSA, more than any other government agency, is prodding me into speaking up. There's only so much I'll take in silence.
And yes, I've written my federal reps.
#1473
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
The difference between you and I is that I am not questioning your intelligence or education. What you're doing is ignoring the fact that I have an opinion by diverting attention to any perceived shortcoming you think I might have. Considering you know nothing about me or my education your statements are meritless. Hear say is not fact.
#1474
Moderator: Midwest, Las Vegas & Dining Buzz
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Posts: 17,976
Originally Posted by hoyateach
I didn't think I'd find myself speaking up in 2smrt4u's defense, but that was just uncalled for.
#1475
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: NW Gold, '06. Good times.
Posts: 7,364
Originally Posted by iluv2fly
You just exercised your right to free speech, as I did in my original post. Isn't this a great country!? ^
#1476
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by iluv2fly
Did you cheat?
Just a tad out line line, eh??? You assume that I don't know the constitution because I have a different opinion about what took place here. It's only fair that I provide the "fact" that I did very well in that course, through hard work and understanding. To imply that I must have cheated is BS.
#1477
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Originally Posted by hoyateach
I didn't think I'd find myself speaking up in 2smrt4u's defense, but that was just uncalled for.
Back to constitutionally-protected words written on bags.
#1478
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tokyo
Posts: 430
Originally Posted by hoyateach
The OP, near as I can tell, wanted to see what would happen. I'm planning to do the same thing when I fly tomorrow, only my baggie will read, "this is stupid."
I don't want a reaction. I just want to be heard. There's a profound difference. I'm not very active in voicing myself politically but the TSA, more than any other government agency, is prodding me into speaking up. There's only so much I'll take in silence.
I don't want a reaction. I just want to be heard. There's a profound difference. I'm not very active in voicing myself politically but the TSA, more than any other government agency, is prodding me into speaking up. There's only so much I'll take in silence.
#1479
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
"MKEBound" went to the airport that day looking for a fight and to draw attention to himself. He got what he asked for.
This is not simply a case of the TSA violating his right to free speech.
The TSA manager had a decision to make. Was he a threat or a nuisance?
Either way it was their job to give him a second look and they did.
Did the manager make the statement that he was not allowed to exercise free speech "in here?" This is hear say for all of us here.
We weren't there and cannot make an informed decision about what was really said. Doing so on the basis of only what MKEBound said happened would be irresponsible.
#1480
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 60137
Posts: 10,498
Originally Posted by aircraft engineer
TSA won't remember him - the chance of having the same screeners is remote and I doubt that the same writing will be on the "baggie"
If I were OP, the only difference tomorrow would be to have 3 fair witnesses immediately behind me.
#1481
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by GUWonder
I am not really questioning your intelligence and education. I'm questioning the lack of critical thinking evident in some of the posts, and I'm questioning a lot of the faulty assumptions built into those very posts.
So you'd not be offended if I told you that your faulty assumption that MKEBound's word is the absolute truth is showing your lack of critical thinking. I'm not here to insult anyone why must you all?
#1482
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: NW Gold, '06. Good times.
Posts: 7,364
Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool
I guess that I just cannot grasp why you would do something to make a statement and in the back of your mind not realize that something could come of it. In other words, when making a statement you need the confirmation that said statement is, in fact, heard by the parties to which it applies. The whole issue of making a statement and not expecting a reaction (even an over the top reaction) seems a bit absurd to me.
#1483
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
Originally Posted by 2smrt4u
I would say to all of you in regards to flying.. If you don't like the rules then don't fly, drive to your destination.
Everytime one of you pulls these antics at security you are infringing upon me. The time spent dealing with you is more time I have to spend waiting in line. If you want to demonstrate against the rules do it in another place. Make some picket signs and stand outside, take out a newspaper add, circulate a petition, run for office, the options are unlimited. You are free to exercise your constitutional rights but not at my expense.
#1484
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by GUWonder
I would agree without hesitation, but when someone brings up their grades, "an appeal to authority" of sorts, questions do arise. In any event, this discussion of user names and classes and grades is a side-show, a distraction.
Back to constitutionally-protected words written on bags.
Back to constitutionally-protected words written on bags.
Appeal to authority???? Please.
You all are the ones implying that you are smarter(thus have more authority to make any statement here) than I because you feel I don't understand the consitution. It's only fair for me to state that in fact I have just as much of an understanding of it as all of you. Hardly an appeal.
Last edited by 2smrt4u; Oct 2, 2006 at 10:09 am
#1485
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
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Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool
I guess that I just cannot grasp why you would do something to make a statement and in the back of your mind not realize that something could come of it. In other words, when making a statement you need the confirmation that said statement is, in fact, heard by the parties to which it applies. The whole issue of making a statement and not expecting a reaction (even an over the top reaction) seems a bit absurd to me.