How is the security provided by TSA when compared to El Al?
Dec 2, 2005 | 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Old NFO
Agreed, the only problem is they are missing MOST of the names... 
Dec 2, 2005 | 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Lehava
In the US we are very "things" focused when it comes to security. We look for things people could do harm with.
That reminded of a taekwondo instructor I had a dozen years ago. He had a standing challenge for any student who can take him down(with bare hands, no weapons of any kind). The reward was 100,000 yen. Once he even allowed 8 students to take him on. 8 against 1. Those students got their rear ends kicked really badly. Keep in mind the instructor was a short fellow, only 5'2" tall.
Dec 2, 2005 | 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by KathyMoore
How expensive will it be to have El Al guys take over airport security at every U.S. airport?
Dec 2, 2005 | 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by eastwest
Not sure how much it would cost...but a downpayment on the bill could be made by cutting off the $2billion a year we GIVE to Israel in "foreign aid"...
Dec 2, 2005 | 7:01 pm
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Leaving aside the civil liberties aspects, I think the cost along would sink this idea. Not only would you need more screeners to conduct this analysis and these interviews, you would need better quality ones than we have now. I don't think flyers or the American taxpayer are willing to pay the costs. However deficient you find the TSA, I don't think the El Al model is viable for the U. S.
Dec 2, 2005 | 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Lehava
Most of which they are REQUIRED to turn around and respend here in the US to fund our aerospace military industry. But dont you think this might be a little OT from the thread's purpose *smile*
Dec 2, 2005 | 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by KentownFlorida
But did I not read somewhere that American Aircraft Exporters [Unlike Airbus] are not subsidised by the US Government.
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Dec 2, 2005 | 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by KentownFlorida
But did I not read somewhere that American Aircraft Exporters [Unlike Airbus] are not subsidised by the US Government.
2. The big "subsidy": US government purchases without limitation on technology transfer and tight retention of IP rights (esp. for all those defence contracts that our aviation/aeronautics/avionics manufactures get).
3. Research & development corporate tax credits.
Not necessarily in that order and not necessarily "my case", but that's what is said.
Dec 2, 2005 | 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Lehava
Most of which they are REQUIRED to turn around and respend here in the US to fund our aerospace military industry.
Dec 2, 2005 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
This is a purchase of aircraft, unlike direct government aid to launch a program.
Dec 2, 2005 | 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
My life is priceless...but I don't live in fear of terrorists or terrorism or think every flight I board is going to be my last. I do not want to live in a world where order is maintained by ELAL style security. If I wanted that, I could just move to Pyongyang.
Stolen seats, violation of rights, whatever! I am here to try to make it safer for all, not to infringe on anyones rights.
I will continue to reply to attacks of my profession, because I fell that I am doing the right thing. Although, I cannot speak for others.
I don't know any of you, although I would do anything in my power to protect all of you, in the air or on the ground.
I enjoy being an American and reaping the benefits as much as you do, thus I will do everything I can so it remains the same.
Dec 2, 2005 | 9:29 pm
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Originally Posted by 24th ID
I agree with you totally! That is why I'm doing what I am.
Stolen seats, violation of rights, whatever! I am here to try to make it safer for all, not to infringe on anyones rights.
I will continue to reply to attacks of my profession, because I fell that I am doing the right thing. Although, I cannot speak for others.
I don't know any of you, although I would do anything in my power to protect all of you, in the air or on the ground.
I enjoy being an American and reaping the benefits as much as you do, thus I will do everything I can so it remains the same.
Stolen seats, violation of rights, whatever! I am here to try to make it safer for all, not to infringe on anyones rights.
I will continue to reply to attacks of my profession, because I fell that I am doing the right thing. Although, I cannot speak for others.
I don't know any of you, although I would do anything in my power to protect all of you, in the air or on the ground.
I enjoy being an American and reaping the benefits as much as you do, thus I will do everything I can so it remains the same.
Thanks for the response, 24th ID and for getting this thread back on track.
Dec 3, 2005 | 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Old NFO
How much is YOUR life worth? I fly El Al any chance I get.
My life is worth $100 trillion. Ergo, the government should spend that much to keep me safe. And keep my tax rates the same.
The military used to do budgeting like this and it was a disaster. The generals would develop a fantastic, but unaffordable budget. (Then when you said, "OK, well we've only got 1/4th that amount of money, they'd say, "hey, you asked us what we needed, I'm not going to be responsible for cutting anything.") Then it was decided that the better way was to decide how much military we could afford, and ask the generals to develop a plan based on that.
Dec 3, 2005 | 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Old NFO
And yes Boca, I WOULD like to see them bring those types of procedures here. I would also like to see them extended to both train and bus travel. Then you cut out the easy movement of people and they go somewhere else to cause trouble. It would also take care of most of the illegals in this country too. Of course, you would also need to bring REAL supervision and procedures to the process; which would actually make people responsible for their actions as screeners.
This would be a good way to destroy civil liberties and bring down the US economy.
Your plan is a bigger threat to the US than terrorism