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n5667 Dec 2, 2005 10:44 pm

Your airport probably squandered its resources on unnecessary personnel for shoe harassment, the Great Sharp and Pointy Object Search, BP haraSSSSment and other complete wastes of time. It's a problem that is epidemic across the system.

Er - nope, the airport doesn't have anything to do with security screening - it's performed by the TSA here... :confused:

Have you not been to other airports? Denver's candy-assed sack of crap FSD routinely violates the SOP on this and other matters. Denver is the worst of the Shoe Carnival offenders and its FSD, Patrick Ahlstrom is nothing but a sack of human garbage.

Groping? Why the hell am I being touched when there are no unresolved alarms? That's groping.


I have, and I haven't encountered any problems - I'm beginning to see why you might have trouble, though...

All of them will do it, but the federal government is forcing the airlines to use the government's ridiculous, un-American screening "standards". The airlines didn't want the TSA created in the first place and I am sure they would shed no tears if the entire disgrace of an agency disappeared tomorrow.

They do? Can you explain why? I was under the impression they had neither the desire to pay for, or the inclination to incur liability in the event of an attack, accident, or whatnot.

n5667 Dec 2, 2005 10:46 pm


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
This is the reasoning for paying more attention to foreign Muslims, especially those from the Mideast, than to native-born Americans. Since they did it once before, we should be more vigilant. This reasoning is in addition to the Islamofascists' vows to destroy Western civilization.

OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - An Oklahoma man was taken into custody after he tried to carry a bomb on board an airplane on Wednesday in Oklahoma City, an FBI spokesman said.

Charles Alfred Dreyling Jr., 24, was detained on Wednesday morning after a security screener using an X-ray machine saw the device in his luggage as he tried to board a flight to Philadelphia at Will Rogers Airport in Oklahoma City.

"Although the investigation is in its initial stages we have found no apparent connection to any type of terrorist activity or group," FBI spokesman Gary Johnson said.

Johnson said the screener saw an "improvised explosive device" in Dreyling's carry-on luggage.

A woman answering the phone at Dreyling's home on Wednesday night declined to discuss the matter.

Johnson said Dreyling would be charged in federal court on Thursday with possession of an explosive device at an airport.


Doesn't sound like an Islamofascist to me... :)

Dovster Dec 2, 2005 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by n5667
Doesn't sound like an Islamofascist to me... :)

However, if I recall this case, the "bomb" was nothing more than an oversized firecracker and Dreyling was a college student with no intent to damage anyone or anything with it.

n5667 Dec 2, 2005 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
However, if I recall this case, the "bomb" was nothing more than an oversized firecracker and Dreyling was a college student with no intent to damage anyone or anything with it.

Indeed? I never did see another article, thought it was just some kook... But then that Belgian lady also comes to mind, so... Who knows...

GUWonder Dec 2, 2005 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
However, if I recall this case, the "bomb" was nothing more than an oversized firecracker and Dreyling was a college student with no intent to damage anyone or anything with it.

In comparison to that, I'm far more concerned about certain American right-wing nuts intent on blowing up the UN (building and more) in NYC.

Dovster Dec 2, 2005 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by n5667
Indeed? I never did see another article, thought it was just some kook... But then that Belgian lady also comes to mind, so... Who knows...

Not a good arguing point to cite the Belgian lady --she is, indeed, a Moslem fanatic (albeit a converted one).

GUWonder Dec 2, 2005 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
Not a good arguing point to cite the Belgian lady --she is, indeed, a Moslem fanatic (albeit a converted one).

She is indeed not a "young" male, "swarthy" "Middle Easterner", right?

Sort of like the Russian plane bombers who were Caucasian and female?

Dovster Dec 2, 2005 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
She is indeed not a "young" male, "swarthy" "Middle Easterner", right?

Sort of like the Russian plane bombers who were Caucasian and female?


The question was if she is an "an Islamofascist" and she is --just like those Russian plane bombers.

GUWonder Dec 3, 2005 12:42 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
The question was if she is an "an Islamofascist" and she is --just like those Russian plane bombers.

Actually that is incorrect ... at least in the case of the Russian plane bombers. Or is it that when a person who happens to have been born a Christian and kills a few dozen people by bombing a village for reasons entirely unrelated to Christianity they become a Christianofascist?

Lumpy Dec 3, 2005 9:58 am

Hmmm... More 'thorough' searches? "The best service for the best customers?" Talk about getting serviced...

Meaning, ticket holder, you are not only a damned lying suspect forced to do the Barefoot Dance of Auto-da -Fe, you may just get not only the pat-down, but the push-in-and-feel-around.

Just keep showing up in their lines, baa-baas. They're waiting for you, grinning...

stimpy Dec 4, 2005 12:28 am

Does anyone know when other countries will start allowing small scissors and scredrivers? I hope this reversal of idiotic regulation spreads across Europe ASAP. It should since they enacted these stupid rules because the US asked them to.

Loren Pechtel Dec 4, 2005 9:23 am


Originally Posted by bambi47
Ammunition and gunpowder 21,939, Box cutters 19,499, Clubs, bats and bludgeons 19,183. Just wondering where all this stuff came from. People that don't believe their dangerous? People that don't know the rules?

Well, we had a rash of ammo confiscations here some time back. A rodeo event in town, someone was giving out keychains with a real bullet encased in plastic. Apparently nobody thought about it until they were taken at airport security.

LessO2 Dec 4, 2005 9:29 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
She is indeed not a "young" male, "swarthy" "Middle Easterner", right?

Sort of like the Russian plane bombers who were Caucasian and female?

The Russian bombers got through because they bribed the security folks. If anything, the TSAers should be put under more scrutiny. Instead, female travelers got their breasts groped.

Sounds fair, doesn't it?

GUWonder Dec 4, 2005 10:02 am


Originally Posted by LessO2
The Russian bombers got through because they bribed the security folks. If anything, the TSAers should be put under more scrutiny. Instead, female travelers got their breasts groped.

Sounds fair, doesn't it?

"Welcome to America."

We've become a "touchy-feely" society ... or at least our government has adopted its own twisted version of such at airports. :(

"We're the government and we're here to help" "examine your body for your own safety and well-being". :eek:

When do you think male genital-area frisking will become equally "frequent"?

LessO2 Dec 4, 2005 10:27 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
When do you think male genital-area frisking will become equally "frequent"?

If something happens tomorrow involving the "lower private parts," it'll happen tomorrow. It fits the two criteria of tombstone technology and 'anything for security.'

If nothing happens, I don't think it will happen. Those puffer machines can't be built and deployed fast enough....those are the biggest threats to TSA job security.


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