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Oct 21, 2004 | 9:34 am
#62
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Originally Posted by law dawg
You know, I have had about enough of the people on this board, especially you. Fondling breasts as a complaint measure? Whatever.
Have a nice life all. Hope you never have to find out, in the really real world, what it is like to be on the recieving end of some pain being inflicted by someone who wants nothing but to kill you and all you stand for. I have and I survived. I wouldn't give much on odds for most on this board to be able to do the same.
All you other LEOs, TSA, FAMs, etc. stop wasting your time with these yahoos. They despise you, whether they say they do or not. They want you gone. You will NEVER satisfy them until they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Keep them safe, but only safe in the way THEY think you should be (and that varies from person to person - they can't even agree here what efficient screening is). They view you as nothing more than a jackbooted thug who is disrespectful (although they have no need to be respectful themselves). There is so much hypocrisy here it is sickening.
Have a nice life all. Hope you never have to find out, in the really real world, what it is like to be on the recieving end of some pain being inflicted by someone who wants nothing but to kill you and all you stand for. I have and I survived. I wouldn't give much on odds for most on this board to be able to do the same.
All you other LEOs, TSA, FAMs, etc. stop wasting your time with these yahoos. They despise you, whether they say they do or not. They want you gone. You will NEVER satisfy them until they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Keep them safe, but only safe in the way THEY think you should be (and that varies from person to person - they can't even agree here what efficient screening is). They view you as nothing more than a jackbooted thug who is disrespectful (although they have no need to be respectful themselves). There is so much hypocrisy here it is sickening.
Posts like yours also convince me that I'm doing the right thing by speaking out.
Oct 21, 2004 | 9:41 am
#63
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Originally Posted by law dawg
All you other LEOs, TSA, FAMs, etc. stop wasting your time with these yahoos. They despise you, whether they say they do or not. They want you gone. You will NEVER satisfy them until they can do whatever they want, whenever they want.
Keep them safe, but only safe in the way THEY think you should be
The government's motto these days is "we have to take away your freedom to protect it."
Well that's a bunch of BS. Sorry, but there are many of us here who still care about the principles of freedom and liberty that this country was founded on, and we're not going to let the terrorists ruin the country for us with the government's help.
If you don't like freedom, move somewhere else. But don't take away our freedom.
Oct 21, 2004 | 2:04 pm
#64
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Maybe we should place each AMERICAN in a shatter-proof bubble so that no harm can ever come to an AMERICAN. It would certainly be worth the un-AMERICAN harassment because it would save at least one AMERICAN life. 
The terrorists are just as happy, if not happier, to destroy the AMERICAN way of life, freedom and civil liberties as they are to kill individial AMERICANS.
The terrorists are just as happy, if not happier, to destroy the AMERICAN way of life, freedom and civil liberties as they are to kill individial AMERICANS.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:01 pm
#65
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Originally Posted by Jaguar01
I guess you just don't understand the point I was making. The fact is that everyone who is American is a target, not just government employees or federal agents. Or you can ask the families and friends of 9/11 victims if anyone in this country can truly afford to have that ivory tower mentality anymore.
Back in 2001 a little over 3,000 people died in the US because of one particular situation. Since then our government has done very little to protect people in similar situations, no color-coded threat levels have been established. No funds have been allocated to try to mitigate the risk of further deaths.
These Americans were targets and about the same amount of Americans have died for the same reasons every year since 2001, but nothing is being done to remove that ivory tower mentality, we just let them die, year after year.
What did they die of? Malnutrition. The richest country in the world willfully lets more people die every year than the number of casualities in the 9/11/2001 incidents. Have we lost the perspecive of things, or what?
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:11 pm
#66
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Originally Posted by L-1011
Is a target of what?
Back in 2001 a little over 3,000 people died in the US because of one particular situation. Since then our government has done very little to protect people in similar situations, no color-coded threat levels have been established. No funds have been allocated to try to mitigate the risk of further deaths.
These Americans were targets and about the same amount of Americans have died for the same reasons every year since 2001, but nothing is being done to remove that ivory tower mentality, we just let them die, year after year.
What did they die of? Malnutrition. The richest country in the world willfully lets more people die every year than the number of casualities in the 9/11/2001 incidents. Have we lost the perspecive of things, or what?
Back in 2001 a little over 3,000 people died in the US because of one particular situation. Since then our government has done very little to protect people in similar situations, no color-coded threat levels have been established. No funds have been allocated to try to mitigate the risk of further deaths.
These Americans were targets and about the same amount of Americans have died for the same reasons every year since 2001, but nothing is being done to remove that ivory tower mentality, we just let them die, year after year.
What did they die of? Malnutrition. The richest country in the world willfully lets more people die every year than the number of casualities in the 9/11/2001 incidents. Have we lost the perspecive of things, or what?
The same goes for airport security systems. At any one point, a huge proportion of the people travelling on American planes, and through American airports, are non-Americans. What protection can we expect? I don't expect to be a specific target of a terrorist/criminal act but I do not want to be an innocent bystander either. This is not just about what Americans think about the American constitution.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:21 pm
#67
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Originally Posted by damorgan
This is not just about what Americans think about the American constitution.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:28 pm
#68
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Originally Posted by Jaguar01
I guess you just don't understand the point I was making. The fact is that everyone who is American is a target, not just government employees or federal agents. Or you can ask the families and friends of 9/11 victims if anyone in this country can truly afford to have that ivory tower mentality anymore.
I don't care if I am a "target" or not. I will continue to live my life as I always have and resist un-AMERICAN harassment in all forms.
There's a reason for the motto "Live Free or Die".
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:29 pm
#69
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Originally Posted by Japhydog
Sorry to inform you, damorgan, but We the People of the United States of America do have more power over what happens in the USA than others who are not citizens.
Anyway, the point I was making is that (surely) Americans have a responsibility towards the safety and security of visitors to your country. That resposnibility is not directly connected to constitutional affairs.
Secondly, other countries (such as my own) receive passenger and freight flights direct from the US so I would also feel involved (as does the British Government) in the American security process.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:32 pm
#70
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Originally Posted by damorgan
Anyway, the point I was making is that (surely) Americans have a responsibility towards the safety and security of visitors to your country. That resposnibility is not directly connected to constitutional affairs.
It is completely possible and realistic to expect sane, non-harassing security measures when visiting the United States, or any country.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:36 pm
#71
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Originally Posted by damorgan
Well, not entirely. In fact, hardly entirely.
Anyway, the point I was making is that (surely) Americans have a responsibility towards the safety and security of visitors to your country. That resposnibility is not directly connected to constitutional affairs.
Secondly, other countries (such as my own) receive passenger and freight flights direct from the US so I would also feel involved (as does the British Government) in the American security process.
Anyway, the point I was making is that (surely) Americans have a responsibility towards the safety and security of visitors to your country. That resposnibility is not directly connected to constitutional affairs.
Secondly, other countries (such as my own) receive passenger and freight flights direct from the US so I would also feel involved (as does the British Government) in the American security process.
For We the People, this is always connected to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:54 pm
#72
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Originally Posted by Japhydog
Please explain first point of not entirely, hardly entirely. As far as I know, only citizens of the United States of America are entitled to vote. Perhaps you know better.
For We the People, this is always connected to the Constitution of the United States of America.
For We the People, this is always connected to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Your earlier words, to which I replied "We the People of the United States of America do have more power over what happens in the USA than others who are not citizens".
If you want to narrow that down to voting (or to be precise, putting a cross on a ballot paper), well of course I agree. That wasn't the point I was making. Who prompted The Patriot Act?
You really must accept that the work of the TSA is relevant on a global level.
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:55 pm
#73
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 77
Originally Posted by L-1011
Is a target of what?
Back in 2001 a little over 3,000 people died in the US because of one particular situation. Since then our government has done very little to protect people in similar situations, no color-coded threat levels have been established. No funds have been allocated to try to mitigate the risk of further deaths.
These Americans were targets and about the same amount of Americans have died for the same reasons every year since 2001, but nothing is being done to remove that ivory tower mentality, we just let them die, year after year.
What did they die of? Malnutrition. The richest country in the world willfully lets more people die every year than the number of casualities in the 9/11/2001 incidents. Have we lost the perspecive of things, or what?
Back in 2001 a little over 3,000 people died in the US because of one particular situation. Since then our government has done very little to protect people in similar situations, no color-coded threat levels have been established. No funds have been allocated to try to mitigate the risk of further deaths.
These Americans were targets and about the same amount of Americans have died for the same reasons every year since 2001, but nothing is being done to remove that ivory tower mentality, we just let them die, year after year.
What did they die of? Malnutrition. The richest country in the world willfully lets more people die every year than the number of casualities in the 9/11/2001 incidents. Have we lost the perspecive of things, or what?
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:56 pm
#74
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Originally Posted by Spiff
I understand your point all too well.
I don't care if I am a "target" or not. I will continue to live my life as I always have and resist un-AMERICAN harassment in all forms.
There's a reason for the motto "Live Free or Die".
I don't care if I am a "target" or not. I will continue to live my life as I always have and resist un-AMERICAN harassment in all forms.
There's a reason for the motto "Live Free or Die".
Oct 21, 2004 | 3:59 pm
#75
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: England, UK
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Originally Posted by Spiff
We also have a responsibility to not treat our guests as if they were convicted felons. I would never want to be treated in another country as guests are treated in America.
It is completely possible and realistic to expect sane, non-harassing security measures when visiting the United States, or any country.
It is completely possible and realistic to expect sane, non-harassing security measures when visiting the United States, or any country.
Spiff,
I have been in and out of your country a number of times and have not felt like a felon at any time. My next trip might be different as we (Brits) now have to provide finger-prints on arrival but it's my choice over whether I go through that. I love the country and the people, so I won't be put off.