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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by danl08
but that is exactly the point that everyone is making. you should know who are the greater risks to security. this random appproach diverts huge resources away from actually finding someone who is trying to do us harm.
How do you suggest we look for the Terrorists? How are we supposed to know who they are? What does a terrorist look like? Are we supposed to flag all the Arabs? Did you know that the Al Quaeda are currently recruiting sympathetic American Caucasians to their ranks? Terrorists come in all colors. Plus, it's not just the terrorists. You could have some nut job try to blow up the plain to get Jessica Simpson's attention etc.. There are plenty of nuts out there to worry about.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by macska
TSA John: Welcome to Flyertalk!

I know that my underwire will set off the detector, so I wear a tank top with a shelf bra when I fly. Likewise, I have a pair of shoes without metal that I always wear. I don't like getting felt up when I fly nor do I like getting my bags rifled through. I'm sure you guys don't enjoy it any more than I do. What other things can I do when I fly to avoid unintenionally triggering a search? I recently learned that a keychain can look like the detonator of a grenade, so I'll be mindful of that when I pack.

Another concern I have is that if my bag is searched or my laptop is swabbing, I want to be right there. I don't like the thought of someone else grabbing my laptop off the belt, and taking it aside for swabbing unless I am watching. I also don't like the thought of someone digging through my bag unless I am right there to make sure they put on clean gloves and so I can see exactly what they touch (cause if they touch my undies, those go straight in the trash). What tips do you have so that we can all deal with this with a minimum of pain?
I don't want to get too detailed, but here are a few tips. You can also check out the TSA Web Page for TSA TRAVEL TIPS

It sounds like you're doing the right thing with the walk through. Every now and then you'll be picked at random, but there is nothing you can do about that. IF IT IS SUGGESTED THAT YOU REMOVE YOUR SHOES, YOU SHOULD DO IT. THIS WILL SAVE YOU TIME.

As far as bag searches, keep the clutter out of your bag like change, jewelry, keys, heavy electronics, etc. The easier it is for us to see in your bag, the less likely it is that we'll look into it. The majority of bag searches we perform are due to cluttered objects that are unrecognizable. If you know something gets you flagged, take it out and run it separately. For example, if you have a pair of rounded scissors in your bag, take them out an run them in a bowl. They look sharp on the X-ray. Put your change in a baggy and run it separately etc. Lay your bag flat and don't put anything on top of your lap top and you'll avoid the timely hassle of a re-run.

As far as bag searches go, they must be performed in your presence. You can also request that the screener put on fresh gloves. They have to do it. If these things are not happening, ask for a supervisor. If the SUP wont do anything, contact the TSA and take it up the ladder.

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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 12:55 am
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Originally Posted by TSAJohn
You can also request that the screener put on fresh gloves. They have to do it.
Screeners aren't supposed to use fresh gloves for each bag anyway? I was under the impression that it was required (something to do with "cross contamination").
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by Screeners Central
Screeners aren't supposed to use fresh gloves for each bag anyway? I was under the impression that it was required (something to do with "cross contamination").
It is not required to change gloves at all. Gloves are for the screeners protection and the gloves can be cleaned with the isopropal alcohol at each machine.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 6:28 am
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I'll have to look it up, but at CVG, we are required to change gloves if asked. Why wouldn't you do it if somebody requested it?
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by TSAJohn
I'll have to look it up, but at CVG, we are required to change gloves if asked. Why wouldn't you do it if somebody requested it?
Gloves are personal protective equipment(PPE) in addition to safety glasses and hearing protection. They are preventive measures against pathogens. Look in in safety section of your SOP. Cleaning with alcohol is sufficient. Passengers will pick up more germs from doors,railings and and other things than what you could pass onto there stuff. They will be in a sealed metal tube with re-circulated germ infested air for who knows how long so changing gloves is not really an issue.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by tsadude
Gloves are personal protective equipment(PPE) in addition to safety glasses and hearing protection. They are preventive measures against pathogens. Look in in safety section of your SOP. Cleaning with alcohol is sufficient. Passengers will pick up more germs from doors,railings and and other things than what you could pass onto there stuff. They will be in a sealed metal tube with re-circulated germ infested air for who knows how long so changing gloves is not really an issue.
I'll look it up. But I'll still change my gloves if asked. How hard is it to change your gloves and make a passenger feel a little better/cleaner?
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by txscreen
Provide a solution instead of complaining. How do you suggest we determine it is an underwire and not a small handgun. If you know of a way to be sure that it is only an underwire and not other metal please enlighten us, otherwise your complaints are meaningless whining.
Tweak the WTMD or learn to use the wand.

The metallic characteristics of an underwire and a small handgun are completely different.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by TSAJohn
IF IT IS SUGGESTED THAT YOU REMOVE YOUR SHOES, YOU SHOULD DO IT. THIS WILL SAVE YOU TIME. .
Screw that.

No passenger should be required to de-shoe if they do not alarm at the WTMD.

Any FSD who does require this un-American harassment to take place should be terminated.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by tsadude
Gloves are personal protective equipment(PPE) in addition to safety glasses and hearing protection. They are preventive measures against pathogens. Look in in safety section of your SOP. Cleaning with alcohol is sufficient. Passengers will pick up more germs from doors,railings and and other things than what you could pass onto there stuff. They will be in a sealed metal tube with re-circulated germ infested air for who knows how long so changing gloves is not really an issue.
Immaterial.

You will change your gloves before digging through my stuff or someone else with fresh gloves will be doing the digging.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Screw that.

No passenger should be required to de-shoe if they do not alarm at the WTMD.

Any FSD who does require this un-American harassment to take place should be terminated.
Well Mr. Spiff, that is the written law, not an FSD call. If they're not having it done, than it'll be on their head if something happens. Go ahead and leave your shoes on, becuase you don't HAVE to take them off. We can only suggest...
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by TSAJohn
Well Mr. Spiff, that is the written law, not an FSD call. If they're not having it done, than it'll be on their head if something happens. Go ahead and leave your shoes on, becuase you don't HAVE to take them off. We can only suggest...
BS. It is indeed a FSD call. Perhaps if you traveled, you notice the extreme inconsistency when it comes to shoes. For some truly un-American FSDs, this means "on feet", such as is the case of the slimy little jagoff who runs DEN.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
BS. It is indeed a FSD call. Perhaps if you traveled, you notice the extreme inconsistency when it comes to shoes. For some truly un-American FSDs, this means "on feet", such as is the case of the slimy little jagoff who runs DEN.
You're right. There is an inconsistency. It's a judgment call by the screener, so it's going to vary from lane to lane. Should it be that way? No. But it is. As far as the BS you speak of, it is clearly written in the SOP how it's supposed to be done. It also says that no FSD can stray from this method. I'm sure you know more about this than I do though. I've only worked for the TSA for 2 years...
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by TSAJohn
You're right. There is an inconsistency. It's a judgment call by the screener, so it's going to vary from lane to lane. Should it be that way? No. But it is. As far as the BS you speak of, it is clearly written in the SOP how it's supposed to be done. It also says that no FSD can stray from this method. I'm sure you know more about this than I do though. I've only worked for the TSA for 2 years...
No, the inconsistency is from airport to airport, not screener to screener within an airport.

DEN: All screeners harass pax wearing shoes.

ISP, ORD: As long as your shoes don't alarm, you keep them on.

So, keep claiming the magical mystery SOP is what causes these differences and not individual FSD choice.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
No, the inconsistency is from airport to airport, not screener to screener within an airport.

DEN: All screeners harass pax wearing shoes.

ISP, ORD: As long as your shoes don't alarm, you keep them on.

So, keep claiming the magical mystery SOP is what causes these differences and not individual FSD choice.
TSA John: Your head is on fire.

Spiff: No it isn't.

TSA John: Have it your way.

Damn man, no wonder your so frustrated. You know everything and don't listen to anybody. Have a nice flight, man.
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