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Passengers Complaining
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.
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It helps if you read a forum for a few weeks before barging in. All your points have been covered ad nauseum and you're just provoking the usual suspects.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font> Such "inconveniences" are stupid, unnecessary, and are extremely un-American. Your agency's stupidity adds nothing to safety and actually increases the likelihood of terrorist because you're focusing on non-threats instead of credible ones. I don't think I've ever seen a more disgusting, un-American set of policies than those implemented by the incompetent, fascist upper management at the TSA. They should be shot or hung as traitors. ------------------ "Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font> If the TSA had been in business prior to 9/11, I can almost guarantee you that things would not have happened much (if any) differently. The hijackers would have likely gotten their box cutters and other pointy objects onto the plane anyway, as TSA security and screening is far from foolproof. And even if they hadn't, there would have been some other backup plan in place to enable them to take control of the aircraft. Since the TSA has been in business, there have been numerous breaches of security that have been discovered; some have been widely covered by the media, and I'm sure that some have not. Take the recent planting of box cutters on aircraft by a few young Americans as just one example. Since the TSA has been in business, people have had items stolen from their now unlocked luggage. This would have been far less likely to have happened had the TSA not initiated their ridiculous "leave your baggage unlocked" policy. There's no reason that passengers can't keep their bags locked and be called to a private room behind the security checkpoint to be present if their bag(s) require a manual inspection. That would also reduce the number of chances that TSA agents have to steal stuff too (there are a few bad apples in your organization who do this, I am sure). The TSA's version of security is, unfortunately, equivalent to putting a sign saying "Please don't burglarize this house" in your front yard and not using deadbolt locks on the doors to your home. The current methods in some airports are just short of hilarious and useless (I've gone through some detectors with my shoes on, and the shoes I wear should set them off). And the methods in other airports are just short of being strip-searched, with agents that try to confiscate allowed items from you, saying that they're prohibited. If this is what security is, then I'll opt for no security as that option is faster, more convenient, and just slightly riskier than the current situation. It is unfortunate that uniform results cannot be produced at all airports using uniform procedures at all airports. And it is also unfortunate that the majority of the American public has been tricked into believing that they must be inconvienced and have their privacy violated by a government organization to receive merely the appearance of security. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CATSA Screener: you're just provoking the usual suspects. </font> |
Part of the problem is nothing is in black and white, most of it is gray and left up to the interpretation of the management at all the individual airports. Private sector had hoped that when the Feds took over this gray area would disappear but it didn't it just got bigger. Everything is left up to the common sense of the people working and we all know how that works. That is why you have the inconsistencies. Look at some of the airports that have been mentioned, when it comes to common sense there is a lack of it. As for items being stolen because bags are left unlocked, this has been going on for years and 99% of the time it is found to be ramp agents not security personnel.
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I'm part of the National Screening Force for the TSA and have had the experience of seeing how different airports & TSA procedures can vary. I know that every airport is supposed to have "McDonald's" security, but each airport is like a Mom & Pop cafe. This might take a while, please bear with us.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by secretscreener: As for items being stolen because bags are left unlocked, this has been going on for years and 99% of the time it is found to be ramp agents not security personnel.</font> I blame the TSA. |
The TSA is doing its job - sucking up taxpayer money while doing nothing to deter terrorism. Osama Bin Laden thanks you.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font> |
I for one will not fault the passengers for complaining. The TSA designed the system, the passengers are merely the end users of this system.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa: The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font> The time I spend dealing with the TSA is significant compared to what little time I have to deal with an airline ticket counter, if any. At least the airlines and ticket counter agents treat me with courtesy as a customer and don't yell at me, verbally degrade me, or harass me like some TSA agents do. As far as the TSA, it's a friggin multi-bilion dollar taxpayer joke. Many of the policies (plus policies the TSA is wanting to push over on us, i.e. CAPPS II) are UN-AMERICAN and blantant invasions of privacy. The TSA is not only a disgusting waste of money and resources, but an un-American government organization with no respect for passenger privacy. Face it, there are risks in this world. The TSA needs to be focusing on real security threats and not pointy objects, unnecessary shoe searches, and passenger harassment (i.e. checking ID's 4 times within 20 ft at the checkpoint) to make people "feel good and safe". FWIW, I've been doing a lot of travel in Europe lately and I must say it's a pleasure to travel there because I don't have to deal with the TSA. At the same time, security is professional, I can lock my baggage, and as a passenger I'm not harassed. If you want to give you your rights, freedoms, and privacy in order to "feel safe", I suggest you move to Cuba or perhaps North Korea -- or you could always set the clock back 40 years and move to the USSR as well I suppose. SDF_Traveler ------------------ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin |
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Fenito, excellent post. You said exactly what I would have. Your process is virtually the same as ours at SeaTac. Again, good post.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: If people aren't willing to have patience, why should the screeners have patience with the passengers who complain?</font> ------------------ Don't feed the trolls. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour: Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary. What a novel concept. </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: I'm tired of fighting for TSA's sake, and tired of trying to get people to see both sides of the story. Some people obviously only like their side, which makes them A$$holes, $hitheads, C**Ksuckers, you name it. I'm tired of someone telling me I know squat about security and safety. I'm tired of someone telling me my job is a joke. And I'm sick and tired of know-it-alls who only want to B*tch and moan and not come up with a solution. You know what we would do with you when I was in the military. Drop your @ss out in the middle of nowhere to rot and die, or ship you back home to your mommie to bottle feed you a little more til you grow up and become a real person. I'm not the type of person to let things under my skin. But I do, however, believe in respect. Now I don't care if you want to generalize people, it's wrong and it shouldn't be done. If you can't say something respectable about the people who do their jobs correctly and work every day to bring home money to pay bills, then come on in to NC, we'll meet, I'll show you what hard work is and give you a better perspective of what respect means. </font> http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/000300.html |
>>Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary.<<
I have heard this in many civil service jobs. Since we are also taxpayers, actually you only pay about half of our salaries so you get what you pay for. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR: >>Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary.<< I have heard this in many civil service jobs. Since we are also taxpayers, actually you only pay about half of our salaries so you get what you pay for. </font> The following are examples of taxes paid on two recently purchased airline tickets: Example #1: Fare: $233.48 Tax: $39.52 PFC: $15.00 ------------------------------------- Example #2: Fare: $338.00 Tax: $79.11 PFC: $12.00 Customs Fee: $5.00 Immigration Fees: $7.00 Aphis Fee: $3.10 ------------------------------------- While the "Tax" is not broken out, it includes a security fee which we as passengers pay. In additional to the security fee are federal taxes collected on airline tickets. As such, air travelers do generate additional federal taxes and fees which pay for TSA services. Just because you're a taxpayer doesn't mean you pay half your salary. Traveler's who purchase airline tickets (and thus pay fees/federal taxes) contribute a great deal to it. The airline passenger is the TSA's customer and is to be treated with courtesy and respect. SDF_Traveler ------------------ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR: >>Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary.<< I have heard this in many civil service jobs. Since we are also taxpayers, actually you only pay about half of our salaries so you get what you pay for. </font> So, for those of you in the back who missed it, it's your freaking job and I (traveler) pay your salary for you to harass me in a manner which has been proven ineffective (see the Southwest bleach and play-dough tour of the world). That's why you get to listen to people complain. ------------------ Don't feed the trolls. |
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: As far as our agency being "Un-American", spiff. This country has no clue what is american anymore. If you want to generalize things, we as a country are selfish, greedy and ignorant. We think everything should revolve around us. If things aren't done the way we want them done and now, then we feel we have to complain so that we can get our way. </font> With all due respect, Fenito, I find the TSA as an organization un-American in several aspects. First and foremost is the lack and disregard of passenger privacy. From time to time the TSA documents things such as false alarms, or even 'SSSS' pax -- items such as boarding pass, ID, etc., is requested -- information is taken down and the passenger has no idea where it goes. The TSA provides no clear answers, nor does it have any type of privacy policy. While individuals such as yourself have provided some answers, you know as well as I know procedures are different everywhere; there is no clear privacy policy I am aware of. The TSA has been around for awhile and something as simple as a universal privacy policy when it comes to passenger information is something that should of been addressed a long time ago. CAPPS II is what really scares me and is what I find extremely appalling and un-American. See: www.dontspyon.us (if you haven't already). CAPPS II and several of the goals of the TSA are the equivalent of internal border controls with-in the United States. I'm sorry, but this is not American. Next are several issues related to screening. Screeners should only be screening for (real) dangerous objects and threats. It's not the duty of the TSA to bust people for drugs (as an example) or anything else they may have in their luggage or on their person unless it is a threat to aviation security. I'm not a drug user, nor do I carry anything illegal, but I'm a firm believer in the 4th Amendment. I even see the ID checks required by the government as un-American. If the airline wants to check my ID for revenue control purposes, fine -- but ID checks do nothing for security and it's none of the government's business where I travel within the USA, IMHO. I don't see anything selfish, greedy, or ignorant with my beliefs as stated above. <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> The fact is, we as screeners, 99% of the time, only hear complaints, no solutions. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I say if you're not willing to see all sides of a situation, then you need not speak your opinion because it's worthless. </font> It's not the responsibility of the passenger to come up with solutions. If, 99% of the time, you only hear complaints, that would indicate to me something is wrong and a solution needs to be found. I've personally provided ideas/solutions to the TSA when I've had specific complaints, only to have them disregared. Unfortunately, with the TSA beauracracy, I'm not sure what it takes for someone to implement a solution to a problem?? <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> We know that some of our policies are BS, but we can't just up and change them....it takes time. If people aren't willing to have patience, why should the screeners have patience with the passengers who complain? </font> Just how much time does it take? The TSA has had a couple of years now. When there are problems in private organizations, typically they're corrected promptly. You know just as well some of the policies are BS; but do you, personally, see them changing anytime soon? As far complaining to screeners, it's easiest for people to do. Try contacting the TSA higher-up, it's nearly impossible. Send an email, get a canned response that has nothing to do with your original message. Call the hotline and get canned responses as well with no real answers or no real help. Passengers complain because they're unhappy with something. As a screener, you're a front-line employee, and unfortunately, it is your job to have patience in regards to the complaints (especially if management is not going to support you or make the necessary changes to eliminate the complaints). I'm sure it sucks to get complaints, but front-line employees are often where complaints are directed at. I spent time doing customer service work when I was in college and I dealt with a lot of complaints -- it sucked, but it was part of the job. Luckily my employer worked with the front-line employees to solve the complaints -- something I just don't see happening with the TSA. <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> I understand that the frequent flyers on this board don't like most of the policies, and think the TSA is not doing their job, but are you saying you can't give credit to the screeners that actually do their job and protect people? It may only be a few airports, but those few are still better than none, correct? </font> I've come across many great TSA employees who do their job & do it well. Unfortunately I've come across many who don't give a rat's a$$ about their job or the passenger. As a frequent traveler, I fly to/through many airports and see a lot when it comes to the TSA and different checkpoints. I would suspect many TSA employees would not only be shocked, but frusterated if they were in my shoes, dealing with multiple airports, different checkpoints, different procedures, rude treatment, etc., on a regular basis. <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> There are so many security breaches in place right now, we couldn't stop a terrorist even if we wanted to really. Hell, at our airport, if no one is outside to screen the curbside bags (persay the screener is on lunch or break), then that skycap can send the bags down and has done it before, without being screened. No one screens or checks flight crew or airline workers who go underneath the airport through the baggage rooms. We don't check air cargo (which isn't anything new). But what we do...do, is what we can. We screen the baggage the way it ought to be done at every airport, in front of the passenger and they are given the opportunity to lock their bags afterwards.</font> As you said (part of the text I clipped), it's likely you work at one of the better airports & things run great compared to other locations. The fact you will lock a passengers luggage after screening is just amazing. You won't find that in very many places. Best, SDF_Traveler ------------------ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: Get over it. Life isn't fair.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: The airlines gave us false numbers</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: It was interesting... because they think we are that incompetent. </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito: But, despite these long lines that everyone was complaining about. The longest anyone in line had to wait was about 35 minutes</font> |
It was mentioned above that when you complain to the TSA management all you get is a canned response. Trust me, I would be at least molified with that much of a response. For a year and a half I have brought safety issues up to management in writing. I have addressed these issues as far up as the FSD and even Washington D.C. I have gotten absolutely NO response from anyone. The only response (which I must admit was a quick one) was the morning that I emailed to the TSA Ombusdman and CC'd to the operations, AFSD and FSD at my airport. I asked the ombudsman one simple question. I asked :"If I were to quit TSA would I be legally free to go to the local media with my concerns?" That very same day when I walked into work the Operations manager was down at my checkpoint to talk with me for two and a half hours about my needing to support TSA management decisions, and the need to keep things within the TSA family.
A canned response? You got more than I normally get. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour: Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary. What a novel concept. </font> |
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--------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ClueByFour: Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary. What a novel concept. --------------------------------------------- And like I said before as long as you keep the complaints general you will have a sympathetic ear because there are policies and procedures that I don't agree with but have to carry out because thats the way management wants it. But when you start attacking me personally well all bets are off and so is the screening, you can talk with my supervisor and possibly a LEO. No one should be subject to verbal abuse no matter where they work and no matter if your paying my salary. |
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude: Your also paying people in DC to make laws that require you to divest. But it is easier to vent on a screener, that takes real balls.</font> You know what both groups (TSA and congress) share in common? I little motto of mine: "Those who can, do. Those who can't work for the government." It applies to politicians and screeners both, as it turns out. Besides which, it actually does take a bit of cajones to unload on a screener. Typically, the power tripping shoe shizzies and wand wizards who provoke this type of response are all to busy to complain to the LEO present. I actually had that happen once in ORD--until the wand wizard in question realized that the watch commander from the CPD at ORD was getting friendly with the person who actually had the cajones to question him/her. Amazing what can happen when you have the professional part of airport security (eg, LEOs) on your side. I was told by this guy "if you question me or my supervisor, you will not fly today." I not only boarded the plane, but did so with the thanks of the CPD and American Airlines. Unlike the millitant wand wizards, who are willing to hide behind the "I have orders" defense (which, if you are student of history, kind of failed for the Nazi's) I am perfectly willing to take a stand for what I consider right and wrong. ------------------ Don't feed the trolls. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour: I was told by this guy "if you question me or my supervisor, you will not fly today." I not only boarded the plane, but did so with the thanks of the CPD and American Airlines. Unlike the millitant wand wizards, who are willing to hide behind the "I have orders" defense (which, if you are student of history, kind of failed for the Nazi's) I am perfectly willing to take a stand for what I consider right and wrong.</font> People that are hard-nosed with me quickly learn that I can be just as (if not even more) hard-nosed right back at them. BTW, such a phrase would also automatically generate a complaint against the screener, no matter whether s/he was in the right or wrong. The people on power trips need to be weeded out, as they are some of the folks giving the TSA a very, very bad public relations problem. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by clrankin: "You will not fly today." That five word phrase would be enough for me right there to inform the TSA agent that our entire conversation was recorded on my PocketPC that was sitting on top of everything in my bag. (and yes, I do turn the record function on before I go through security) It would also be enough for me to insist that he get his supervisor's boss (not just his supervisor) over to handle the situation, along with a law enforcement official. I would want to ensure that my rights were not violated throughout the entire process. People that are hard-nosed with me quickly learn that I can be just as (if not even more) hard-nosed right back at them. BTW, such a phrase would also automatically generate a complaint against the screener, no matter whether s/he was in the right or wrong. The people on power trips need to be weeded out, as they are some of the folks giving the TSA a very, very bad public relations problem.</font> What happen to "To protect and serve"? Gone with the rest of common sense? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour: Yeah, and I let my elected representatives know exactly how I feel when they do things that I don't like. Your point? You know what both groups (TSA and congress) share in common? I little motto of mine: "Those who can, do. Those who can't work for the government." It applies to politicians and screeners both, as it turns out. Besides which, it actually does take a bit of cajones to unload on a screener. Typically, the power tripping shoe shizzies and wand wizards who provoke this type of response are all to busy to complain to the LEO present. I actually had that happen once in ORD--until the wand wizard in question realized that the watch commander from the CPD at ORD was getting friendly with the person who actually had the cajones to question him/her. Amazing what can happen when you have the professional part of airport security (eg, LEOs) on your side. I was told by this guy "if you question me or my supervisor, you will not fly today." I not only boarded the plane, but did so with the thanks of the CPD and American Airlines. Unlike the millitant wand wizards, who are willing to hide behind the "I have orders" defense (which, if you are student of history, kind of failed for the Nazi's) I am perfectly willing to take a stand for what I consider right and wrong. </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude: But guess what? The TSA will do what it wants and this board and those who post here will never change that. Big Brother rules as he wishes so go ahead and let it eat you up fool.</font> Eventually, this stupidity will be overcome. Enjoy sucking at the teat of the taxpayer in the meantime. ------------------ Don't feed the trolls. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude: But guess what? The TSA will do what it wants and this board and those who post here will never change that. Big Brother rules as he wishes so go ahead and let it eat you up fool.</font> ------------------ "Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour: Besides which, it actually does take a bit of cajones to unload on a screener. </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff: Are you part of that group Burden2Society?? </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude: Originally posted by Spiff: Are you part of that group Burden2Society?? </font> Hopefully?? Eventually!! [This message has been edited by CarmelGreg (edited Dec 04, 2003).] |
>>No, I pay your salary in the form of the $5/segment security fee. Unless you are getting charged $5 every time you go to work, we are not sharing the burden.<<
Oh, I don't pay the security fee when I travel? Hmm, I guess the airlines owe me a refund then. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CarmelGreg: To generate (revenue), intimidate, and incarcerate. Sounds very typical of most "large" Law Enforcement Organizations. Most dress like SWAT members. Wonder how long it'll be before TSA uniforms start with this look? Combat boots, bullet proof vests, cargo pants, and all the trimmings of pepper spray, cuffs, nightsticks, etc..</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CarmelGreg: To generate (revenue), intimidate, and incarcerate. Sounds very typical of most "large" Law Enforcement Organizations. Most dress like SWAT members. Wonder how long it'll be before TSA uniforms start with this look? Combat boots, bullet proof vests, cargo pants, and all the trimmings of pepper spray, cuffs, nightsticks, etc.. </font> Thgis is a most telling quote from the chief of goons here-obviously, greg just doesn't like authority in ANY form and clearly feels about his local police and/or sherriff's office the same way he feels about TSA- too bad, greg-you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, you can't legally buy beer for underaged kids, and you can't get on a commercial airliner without going thru security...must suck to wake up in the morning and be you...lol |
Does anyone else smell a TOS violator here? Namely a newcomer using two different handles?? The similarity in syntax and viewpoint is uncanny.
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i admit i'm a "newbie" here, but i only have one handle on this board... who do i sound like???would like to do a search on his posts and see what he says... [This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 07, 2003).] |
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They are all tsascreener.com REJECTS, so it is not surprising that they sound alike. |
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