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....lol...whatever....
at the end of the day, however, you are STILL an empty vessel without a positive constructive thought in your head about the situation, just a lot of gas and complaints for the sake of complaining because you can't stand the inconvenience you face because of the screening process... oh, well...let's get the sad violins playing... |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy: Ess, They are all tsascreener.com REJECTS, so it is not surprising that they sound alike. </font> ------------------ Don't take life too seriously, afterall, you won't get out alive. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR: >>No, I pay your salary in the form of the $5/segment security fee. Unless you are getting charged $5 every time you go to work, we are not sharing the burden.<< Oh, I don't pay the security fee when I travel? Hmm, I guess the airlines owe me a refund then.</font> So here we see first hand the IQ level of a 'TSAMGR'! The $5/segment fee is for travelling on an airline. Something which you don't pay each time you go to work at the airport. Get it now? GMF |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by goldmedallionflyer: So here we see first hand the IQ level of a 'TSAMGR'! The $5/segment fee is for travelling on an airline. Something which you don't pay each time you go to work at the airport. Get it now? GMF</font> "Oh, I don't pay the security fee when I travel? Hmm, I guess the airlines owe me a refund then." The above is the reply by TSAMGR to what you believe to be his post. He, like all TSA employees who fly also pay the security fee. Evelyn Wood has a course designed to increase comprehension. May I suggest you look into it? ------------------ Don't take life too seriously, afterall, you won't get out alive. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy: Ess, They are all tsascreener.com REJECTS, so it is not surprising that they sound alike.</font> As usual......clueless. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...m/rolleyes.gif |
Take, I wouldn't say clueless, just mean and spiteful as usual. I don't ever remember reading anything helpful or positive from this "contributor."
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they also seem to have a problem with complete sentences...lol
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Do you know (probably not...) that is was little "pointy" things that brought down the 4 planes?
And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"... Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it! As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK... <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SDF_Traveler: Bull.... .. in fact I don't even have to use airline ticket counters the majority of the time thanks to on-line check-in, kiosk check-in, etc. The only time I use the ticket counter is when I check luggage, which takes a couple minutes at most because I'm already checked in, I have my boarding pass, and it takes just a matter of seconds to print a routing label and provide me with a claim check. The time I spend dealing with the TSA is significant compared to what little time I have to deal with an airline ticket counter, if any. At least the airlines and ticket counter agents treat me with courtesy as a customer and don't yell at me, verbally degrade me, or harass me like some TSA agents do. As far as the TSA, it's a friggin multi-bilion dollar taxpayer joke. Many of the policies (plus policies the TSA is wanting to push over on us, i.e. CAPPS II) are UN-AMERICAN and blantant invasions of privacy. The TSA is not only a disgusting waste of money and resources, but an un-American government organization with no respect for passenger privacy. Face it, there are risks in this world. The TSA needs to be focusing on real security threats and not pointy objects, unnecessary shoe searches, and passenger harassment (i.e. checking ID's 4 times within 20 ft at the checkpoint) to make people "feel good and safe". FWIW, I've been doing a lot of travel in Europe lately and I must say it's a pleasure to travel there because I don't have to deal with the TSA. At the same time, security is professional, I can lock my baggage, and as a passenger I'm not harassed. If you want to give you your rights, freedoms, and privacy in order to "feel safe", I suggest you move to Cuba or perhaps North Korea -- or you could always set the clock back 40 years and move to the USSR as well I suppose. SDF_Traveler </font> |
But our "CAMERAS" will catch the aggressive passenger that your recorder won't hear...
And aggressive/irrate passengers can be told "You will not fly today" or "You will not come thru a Federal Checkpoint"!!! It is a FEDERAL CRIME to intimidate, hinder, interfere, assult, etc... with a Federal Agent in the performance of their duties... <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by clrankin: "You will not fly today." That five word phrase would be enough for me right there to inform the TSA agent that our entire conversation was recorded on my PocketPC that was sitting on top of everything in my bag. (and yes, I do turn the record function on before I go through security) It would also be enough for me to insist that he get his supervisor's boss (not just his supervisor) over to handle the situation, along with a law enforcement official. I would want to ensure that my rights were not violated throughout the entire process. People that are hard-nosed with me quickly learn that I can be just as (if not even more) hard-nosed right back at them. BTW, such a phrase would also automatically generate a complaint against the screener, no matter whether s/he was in the right or wrong. The people on power trips need to be weeded out, as they are some of the folks giving the TSA a very, very bad public relations problem.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag: Do you know (probably not...) that is was little "pointy" things that brought down the 4 planes? And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"... Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it! As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK... </font> If you think pointy objects brought down those planes, I've really got to wonder how you manage to tie your shoes. The same result would have happened if the terrorists used martial arts. What would your agency's feeble-minded response be? Live to appreciate it? No way. If anything, you ought to appreciate that we live in a civilized society where unpatriotic fascists aren't assaulted or hanged by citizens outraged by their behavior. ------------------ "Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry |
oh, but i bet you have wet dreams at night wanting to do that spiff....
you constantly want to act out violently against percieved injustice in a vigilante style fashion, and quite possibly you might-people who harbor these thoughts at some point lose control... for all the times i have been called a thug on this board, i have never insinuated for the wholesale murder of the people who i don't care for on this board like you have... it would be nice if the moderators reined you in on at least this part of your crying... [This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 09, 2003).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jrjcd: ??????? i admit i'm a "newbie" here, but i only have one handle on this board... who do i sound like???would like to do a search on his posts and see what he says... [This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 07, 2003).]</font> |
is that good or bad...???
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Spiff, I too have to take serious afront to your words above. No, we do not live in such a society, because if we did no one would be safe.
As for the "pointy items" bringing down the planes. YES, it was sharp pointy items. Granted that it was also the pre-911 airline attitude that terrorists don't intend to down a plane, but to only commandeer it. We all know better than that now. A hard lesson to have learned. |
OK, but we learned that lesson, didn't we? What's the point of restricting pointy objects NOW? Nobody could possibly take over a plane with a pair of scissors or any other ordinary item like that. So why restrict them? It's just stupid -- as well as wasteful of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.
Sure, keep guns off of planes -- including guns in the hands of pilots and air marshals! Sure, keep bombs off planes. No argument there. But children's scissors and things like that? Leave us alone about that sort of thing. And, for crying out loud, stop looking at IDs so much. Nothing contributes LESS to real security. Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change. Bruce |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel: Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change. Bruce</font> ------------------ Don't take life too seriously, afterall, you won't get out alive. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by The Unknown Screener: The TSA can be called a "hostile work environment." The "Leads" and "Supervisors" were hired with no regard of past experience. Hence, many of them are what we termed "headhunters." They try to make themselves look good by making others look bad. Of course this is not universally true, but I am sure that every airport has at least one of these cretins. Any screener who voices a dissenting opinion of the procedures can, and probably will be labeled "insubordinate." The economy is picking up, so I expect more screeners to throw off the "yoke of silence."</font> |
Unknown Screener I'm not sure why you feel that we as leads and supervisors as a whole were not hired on our qualifications. I am a lead and for one have more than adequate qualifications. However, on the other hand, the biggest portion of the management staff had been hired because of their airline backgrounds, not security or management backgrounds. Do you see a problem here?
As to your statement that screeners will be charged with insubordination if they complain, trust me, it isn't only you. Just this past two days I have been threatened with insubordination by management for questioning a manager and Supervisor's handling of an IED. I will continue to do so on the grounds that I, as a lead have a responsibility to act if I see something that will get them hurt or killed. (please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain: (please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.</font> |
Sure, why not.;-)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain: (please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.</font> |
In my experience, the Leads and Supervisors are power hungry head cases.
I refuse to discuss complaints with anyone lower than Screening Manager and have had only 1 bad experience dealing with complaints this way. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jrjcd: ....lol...whatever.... at the end of the day, however, you are STILL an empty vessel without a positive constructive thought in your head about the situation, just a lot of gas and complaints for the sake of complaining because you can't stand the inconvenience you face because of the screening process... oh, well...let's get the sad violins playing...</font> 1. Stop checking IDs so often. You check them once when we enter, why do you need to continue checking them. 2. Make everything consistent! 3. Treat customers as decent human beings. What has happened to "Please and thank you?" Simple words, cost nothing, and yet has a huge impact. You say that you (the posters from TSA here) want to be treated with respect and yet from these posts I am shaking my head wondering if this is how you act in real life (btw. . .I have met Spiff in real life on several occasions and can only say that for you to say that he's an empty vessel as well as other comments well. . you are wayyyyy off base as well as offensive!). 4. Make the process easy for those of us travelling. This is NOT about you. .. it is about getting us to our flights with the least amount of hassle. I am not going to get into a debate/discussion about whether or not I think the TSA is doing a good job, but I am fascinated by the fact that so many of the posters from the TSA are so "defensive" as well as "offensive" imo. . .Why is there a line that can only be used by the crew when the line for regular passengers is so long? What has happened to common sense? Finally. . .I think that the tone of this thread is horrible. It's offensive, it's personal, and it serves no purpose when somebody has a legitimate complaint that the responses are so imo juvenile. . .that alone speaks volumes. |
TacomaRain,
Were leads told to play the role of a backup supervisor? Most seem not to work in rotation and such and hang around the Sup desk all day. |
1. I can only guess that things at DFW are different from other parts of the country, because for the most part we don't check BP w/IDs after the private company ticket checker clears the passenger-in fact, many times passengers offer them to us and we tell them they won't need them until they get to their gate...
2.This will shake out eventually, and probably sooner than later, but TSA IS a new organization and subject to a certain amount of growing pains(not the least of which is surviving it's second birthday)... 3. Once again, at our airport, we go the extra mile in being polite to passengers-most respond in like manner, but for the few who don't, we still stay professional in our interaction with them as much as the passenger will allow.... 4. Once again, my airport must be an anomily(sic)in that flight crews must go thru the checkpoint line like anyone else-the fact that other airports gives them preferential treatment explains their attitude sometimes, but for the most part, these days at the worst flight crews behave indifferent and cool towards us, but no longer nasty-i will say that i wish every airport had a separate flight crew/airport employee checkpoint-there is a different paradigm involved here as these people have jobs they need to get to to be able to serve the passengers better...as far as getting you to your flight with the least amount of hassle, we try to do our best there(despite what the fab four will retort here)and following the suggestions made by screeners at the front of the checkpoint, whether you agree with them or not, will actually make the process go faster for you-yes, this includes the shoe thing and also the continuous inspection of laptops and bags at the ETD, but your suggestions are listened to-the revised second chance policy at the mag is a good example of that. Don't believe anyone when they tell you that no one at TSA hears what you say ( certain folk WILL tell you this as soon as they can get to their keyboards) |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain: Unknown Screener I'm not sure why you feel that we as leads and supervisors as a whole were not hired on our qualifications. I am a lead and for one have more than adequate qualifications. However, on the other hand, the biggest portion of the management staff had been hired because of their airline backgrounds, not security or management backgrounds. Do you see a problem here? As to your statement that screeners will be charged with insubordination if they complain, trust me, it isn't only you. Just this past two days I have been threatened with insubordination by management for questioning a manager and Supervisor's handling of an IED. I will continue to do so on the grounds that I, as a lead have a responsibility to act if I see something that will get them hurt or killed. (please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.</font> ------------------ Don't take life too seriously, afterall, you won't get out alive. |
Unknown Screener, yse, you are absolutely right about the hiring process. No, not all leads, supervisors and particularly managers were hired because of their qualifications. I agree with you also that there are many screeners that I work with that have unbelievable qualifications. Of course TSA blames this all on the company that they used to do the process, but even when TSA had the opportunity to make it right as they did here at SeaTac they still screwed it up. We still have certain individuals with little or no experience that were permanently promoted into Supervisory rolls. Is it going to get any better? Not as long as these clueless local managers have control of the system.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain: Unknown Screener, yse, you are absolutely right about the hiring process. No, not all leads, supervisors and particularly managers were hired because of their qualifications. I agree with you also that there are many screeners that I work with that have unbelievable qualifications. Of course TSA blames this all on the company that they used to do the process, but even when TSA had the opportunity to make it right as they did here at SeaTac they still screwed it up. We still have certain individuals with little or no experience that were permanently promoted into Supervisory rolls. Is it going to get any better? Not as long as these clueless local managers have control of the system.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ldsant: I find it fascinating that so many of the TSA posters here on this board seem/appear so disgruntled. Why don't you quit your job and get another one somewhere else? I'm sure if this is the "attitude" that you have you are bringing it to the job whether knowingly or not.</font> |
Oh, Oh CG, your complete idocy is showing again. I think that if you can't get your brain out of neutral (which it seems to always be in) that maybe you should put it in reverse and back your head out of your a..!
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Idsant now there is a wonderful idea. If all of us that are disgruntled would just quit then TSA would be operated only by clueless managers and some screeners who DO, in fact get a kick out of lording over passengers. I, for one feel that if I stay I MIGHT just have a small chance of changing the system and making it a viable tool for what it was designed.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain: Idsant now there is a wonderful idea. If all of us that are disgruntled would just quit then TSA would be operated only by clueless managers and some screeners who DO, in fact get a kick out of lording over passengers. I, for one feel that if I stay I MIGHT just have a small chance of changing the system and making it a viable tool for what it was designed.</font> Wow. . .I am sorry that you feel the need to personally attack others too e.g., CG above - what purpose does that serve? |
"Or perhaps new screeners could be brought in who actually realize that the PASSENGERS are their CUSTOMERS as well as human beings and deserve respect and civility?"
Yes, a lot of us have issue with TSA and yes a lot of screeners at my airport and it seems other airports are looking for new jobs. But in that time I personally don't let my personal life interfer with my work life. I treat passengers with respect, when they want it. When a passenger wants to be left alone, I do it, while still doing my job. I grew up using "Sir, Thank You" so I still use it. But if I'm talking to someone else my age, I talk differently with them, and it seems to make people more comfortable. Screeners in general understand, at least I think so, that your the customer. Some do have issues, sure, what business doesn't? But anyway, the company makes it hard for us to treat you that way. |
A bit of advise to the newcomers to Flyertalk. I would be more incline to listen to the opinions of members that have several hundred to several thousand posts than loud mouth insensitive and disrespectful people that a few of you seem to be. Tone down your response and offer a little respect towards a differing opinion and stop flaming. If your attacks go on, you will be banned from FlyerTalk and we here will be the better for it. Mature adults offer respect while immature idiots posts in the tone we have seen the past few days here on this thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...m/rolleyes.gif
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ldsant: I find it fascinating that so many of the TSA posters here on this board seem/appear so disgruntled. Why don't you quit your job and get another one somewhere else? I'm sure if this is the "attitude" that you have you are bringing it to the job whether knowingly or not.</font> This is a VERY easy job, for the money. The pressure we receive, or at least I receive, is from mgt. We @ RDU are now under a microscope, as you can imagine with the events of the past (boxcutters). Our mgt. is more concerned that I have on my name tag, than they are with......well.....let's just leave it at that. I think you get the picture. I like my job. I don't agree with alot of what I have to put you thru, but in order for me to keep my job, I still have to do it. Yes, I have made my feelings known about it too. I've discussed policy until blue in the face. But I do "NOT" present "attitude" toward a pax, unless its given first. The reason I'm here is to try and make your flight safe, and I come to work each day, and give 100% toward that goal. Now whether you or I agree with the method doesn't mean squat, because we (you & I) don't make policy !! And until the policy is changed, we'll both have to live with it. [Stepping off soap box now] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RobotDoctor: A bit of advise to the newcomers to Flyertalk. I would be more incline to listen to the opinions of members that have several hundred to several thousand posts than loud mouth insensitive and disrespectful people that a few of you seem to be. Tone down your response and offer a little respect towards a differing opinion and stop flaming. If your attacks go on, you will be banned from FlyerTalk and we here will be the better for it. Mature adults offer respect while immature idiots posts in the tone we have seen the past few days here on this thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...m/rolleyes.gif</font> |
Yes, I suppose you are right, RobotDoctor. I am sure that you do prefer to read the postings of the likes of CarmelGreg, CameraGuy, etc who continue on these forums to reiterate, over and over again their derogatory remarks to anyone who differs with them. You are right, I am a new poster here myself and will be banned from the sites for calling these characters for their assanine comments. Please continue to enjoy their flames.
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thanks for the honesty.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway: If you only knew. This is a VERY easy job, for the money. The pressure we receive, or at least I receive, is from mgt. We @ RDU are now under a microscope, as you can imagine with the events of the past (boxcutters). Our mgt. is more concerned that I have on my name tag, than they are with......well.....let's just leave it at that. I think you get the picture. I like my job. I don't agree with alot of what I have to put you thru, but in order for me to keep my job, I still have to do it. Yes, I have made my feelings known about it too. I've discussed policy until blue in the face. But I do "NOT" present "attitude" toward a pax, unless its given first. The reason I'm here is to try and make your flight safe, and I come to work each day, and give 100% toward that goal. Now whether you or I agree with the method doesn't mean squat, because we (you & I) don't make policy !! And until the policy is changed, we'll both have to live with it. [Stepping off soap box now] </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway: If you only knew. This is a VERY easy job, for the money. The pressure we receive, or at least I receive, is from mgt. We @ RDU are now under a microscope, as you can imagine with the events of the past (boxcutters). Our mgt. is more concerned that I have on my name tag, than they are with......well.....let's just leave it at that. I think you get the picture. I like my job. I don't agree with alot of what I have to put you thru, but in order for me to keep my job, I still have to do it. Yes, I have made my feelings known about it too. I've discussed policy until blue in the face. But I do "NOT" present "attitude" toward a pax, unless its given first. The reason I'm here is to try and make your flight safe, and I come to work each day, and give 100% toward that goal. Now whether you or I agree with the method doesn't mean squat, because we (you & I) don't make policy !! And until the policy is changed, we'll both have to live with it. [Stepping off soap box now] </font> |
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