Two thumbs-ups for the TSA
Nov 25, 2003 | 6:03 pm
#16
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I have no problem with COMMON SENSE strict rules. Problem is, we do not have any in place now.
What we currently have are [b]IDIOTIC[/]b rules in place. We could have these same IDIOTIC rules in place with the old screeners and be in the same shape we are now.
Difference would be the COST. Right now we have a boondoggle. We have 100,000 more government hacks who are accountable to nobody!
What we currently have are [b]IDIOTIC[/]b rules in place. We could have these same IDIOTIC rules in place with the old screeners and be in the same shape we are now.
Difference would be the COST. Right now we have a boondoggle. We have 100,000 more government hacks who are accountable to nobody!
Nov 25, 2003 | 6:11 pm
#17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by screenerx:
CameraGuy,
TSA is a fraud you and CarmelGreg both say it. But the procedures in place are just more strict then they were on 9/11.
So pretty much security has always been a fraud but you never *****ed about it before. You've paid for security before and after 9/11.
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CameraGuy,
TSA is a fraud you and CarmelGreg both say it. But the procedures in place are just more strict then they were on 9/11.
So pretty much security has always been a fraud but you never *****ed about it before. You've paid for security before and after 9/11.
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BTW- I liked the way you handled the "grammar" post the other day. Good job.
Nov 25, 2003 | 7:57 pm
#18
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My point is this,
Your not any safer now then before 9/11, even with newer or stricter polcies in place. But the fact is you always paid for security but didn't complain. Yeah you pay more now but don't you think you should be provided with something you pay for, safety?
You never got safety, and I feel that will always a problem.
Most of you guys sit and type that you wouldn't mind going back to pre 9/11 screening. And that you would live with the risk.
But then again you argue that TSA can't protect anyone. Problem is, TSA had a solution to the shoe problem almost a year ago but it will never go into effect, because the public will not stand for it.
You constantly argue that TSA makes no strand to help the public, which in a lot of cases, it hasn't. But in some cases it has but the public didn't like it, so TSA didn't do it.
I'll admit, that this post is defending TSA to a point. But the facts are facts, you can only do so much as a organization when the public isn't willing to work with you.
I think TSA needs to get the clue that people aren't willing to be as safe as possible, and just shut down personally.
Your not any safer now then before 9/11, even with newer or stricter polcies in place. But the fact is you always paid for security but didn't complain. Yeah you pay more now but don't you think you should be provided with something you pay for, safety?
You never got safety, and I feel that will always a problem.
Most of you guys sit and type that you wouldn't mind going back to pre 9/11 screening. And that you would live with the risk.
But then again you argue that TSA can't protect anyone. Problem is, TSA had a solution to the shoe problem almost a year ago but it will never go into effect, because the public will not stand for it.
You constantly argue that TSA makes no strand to help the public, which in a lot of cases, it hasn't. But in some cases it has but the public didn't like it, so TSA didn't do it.
I'll admit, that this post is defending TSA to a point. But the facts are facts, you can only do so much as a organization when the public isn't willing to work with you.
I think TSA needs to get the clue that people aren't willing to be as safe as possible, and just shut down personally.
Nov 26, 2003 | 8:27 am
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I agree with you there, however, if and when the next plane goes down due to some terrorist incident, the airlines will be finished as an industry and the only flying will be done by a nationalized airline. Maybe thats not such a bad idea, deregulation was not necessarily such a great thing.
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Nov 26, 2003 | 8:28 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OttoGraham:
Ah, so I have to ask your permission before I post in a thread now? Thanks. I'll remember that.
And as for warning about stalking, I don't remember it. Of course, I could have forgotten.
Since you ask, I have a question of my own. Did you learn anything when you were given a permanent ban from posting on FlyerTalk on May 8, 2001, because of repeated flaming?</font>
Ah, so I have to ask your permission before I post in a thread now? Thanks. I'll remember that.
And as for warning about stalking, I don't remember it. Of course, I could have forgotten.
Since you ask, I have a question of my own. Did you learn anything when you were given a permanent ban from posting on FlyerTalk on May 8, 2001, because of repeated flaming?</font>
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Nov 28, 2003 | 8:17 am
#21
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Originally posted by CarmelGreg:
Do yourself a favor and look up the word Goon. It perfectly describes the mindless, gungho, "just doing my job" "for your safety" "Don't like it? Tough!" BS attitude that permeates the TSA ranks. If the shoe fits....If it doesn't then don't.
This from The Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
goon - a man hired to terrorize or kill opponents.
Now I don't know about other screeners I've never terrorized a passenger much less killed one.
Do yourself a favor and look up the word Goon. It perfectly describes the mindless, gungho, "just doing my job" "for your safety" "Don't like it? Tough!" BS attitude that permeates the TSA ranks. If the shoe fits....If it doesn't then don't.
This from The Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
goon - a man hired to terrorize or kill opponents.
Now I don't know about other screeners I've never terrorized a passenger much less killed one.
Nov 28, 2003 | 6:02 pm
#23
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They won't say anything. They are the type that slam their bags on the tables, mumble under their breath and sheepishly walk through. But just wait until they get behind their monitor!!! They then will call you a goon and Nazi.
Most TSA people here are trying to give legitimate information. They may not agree with it but they are trying to inform. What do they get for that? Verbal attacks from people who have no idea what they are about.
Most TSA people here are trying to give legitimate information. They may not agree with it but they are trying to inform. What do they get for that? Verbal attacks from people who have no idea what they are about.
Nov 29, 2003 | 9:06 pm
#24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR:
They won't say anything. They are the type that slam their bags on the tables, mumble under their breath and sheepishly walk through. But just wait until they get behind their monitor!!! They then will call you a goon and Nazi.</font>
They won't say anything. They are the type that slam their bags on the tables, mumble under their breath and sheepishly walk through. But just wait until they get behind their monitor!!! They then will call you a goon and Nazi.</font>
While the words "Nazi" and "goon" certainly don't fit the majority of people who work for the TSA (and don't appear to fit the TSA folks who post here at FT) there are unfortunately some people out there that strive to maintain this image for the TSA. It just goes to show that there are bad apples in every organization.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR:
Most TSA people here are trying to give legitimate information. They may not agree with it but they are trying to inform. What do they get for that? Verbal attacks from people who have no idea what they are about.</font>
Most TSA people here are trying to give legitimate information. They may not agree with it but they are trying to inform. What do they get for that? Verbal attacks from people who have no idea what they are about.</font>
EDITED to fix up a few issues with the QUOTE tag and my post...
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Nov 30, 2003 | 8:25 pm
#25
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1) You are NOT as safe as 5 years ago... TSA is much better!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CarmelGreg:
Before Sept. 11th only flyers paid for security. Now I'm paying for it twice as a taxpayer and a flyer. The fraud TSA is perpetrating is costing taxpayers Billions while the fraud of Private only cost us a couple of bucks per flyer. Not sure if your just trying to goad or what however you say TSA is sticter. It's been said before: The only difference is TSA makes us remove our shoes (randomly in USA) even if no alarm, show ID/BP multiple times, and threaten us with damaged property with no recourse, if we decide to lock our checked luggage. We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago. With or without the TSA air safety remains the same. I'd prefer to spend a few billion on other "pet projects".
BTW- I liked the way you handled the "grammar" post the other day. Good job.
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Before Sept. 11th only flyers paid for security. Now I'm paying for it twice as a taxpayer and a flyer. The fraud TSA is perpetrating is costing taxpayers Billions while the fraud of Private only cost us a couple of bucks per flyer. Not sure if your just trying to goad or what however you say TSA is sticter. It's been said before: The only difference is TSA makes us remove our shoes (randomly in USA) even if no alarm, show ID/BP multiple times, and threaten us with damaged property with no recourse, if we decide to lock our checked luggage. We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago. With or without the TSA air safety remains the same. I'd prefer to spend a few billion on other "pet projects".
BTW- I liked the way you handled the "grammar" post the other day. Good job.
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Nov 30, 2003 | 8:32 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag:
1) You are NOT as safe as 5 years ago... TSA is much better!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
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1) You are NOT as safe as 5 years ago... TSA is much better!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
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Nov 30, 2003 | 9:20 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag:
1) You are NOT as safe as 5 years ago... TSA is much better!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
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1) You are NOT as safe as 5 years ago... TSA is much better!
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
3) You show your ID/BP several times before getting to the checkpoint because the airlines employ ticket checkers to ensure non passengers do not clog up the checkpoint. You may have to show your ID/BP at the FEDERAL checkpoint to get into the checkpoint... Bottom line, DEAL with it!!!
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2)Liar
3)No way, deal with all the complaints or get another job doesn't involve working for a disgusting, un-American agency.
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Nov 30, 2003 | 10:52 pm
#28
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Are you really sure about that? I guess the thing with shoes is only a secret to the TSA. Check out this article:
FAA had issued warning about terrorists, footwear
December 23, 2001 Posted: 11:24 AM EST (1624 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/22/plane.diverted/
FAA had issued warning about terrorists, footwear
December 23, 2001 Posted: 11:24 AM EST (1624 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/22/plane.diverted/
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag:
2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
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2) Shoes are removed for various reasons that are SSI information that can not be revealed...
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Dec 1, 2003 | 1:18 am
#29
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Guys and Girls I am pretty new here. Some of you have read my postings. I am a Lead screener at (you can probably guess what airport). Please let me fill those of you in who are not screeners on who we are and what we do. I think that all of the screeners that post here will agree that they took this job mainly because of 9-11 and their true desire to do SOMETHING to make a difference. I know that probably most of us have been greatly disallusioned. I am sorry for that.
For those of you non-screeners, picture yourself sitting next to an x-ray machine. Your knees are probably touching the machine as the bags pass through. At any moment you may see on that screen what you have been trained to identify as an improvised explosive device. It is now probably about six inches from your family-making apparatus. How many times do you think that the thought has gone through our heads "What in the h...ll am I doing here for $25,000. a year, putting myself into this position, and the public doesn't give a d..mn about anything but getting through the process."
Add to that the management attitude that we deal with daily. Is it worth it? I still think that it is, if someday, in some way I may prevent some wacko from getting onto a plane (or deciding to detonate a bomb in our checkpoint)and destroying that plane, maybe hurting or killing you or your loved ones. I think that every screener here feels the same way. When those of you (you know who you are) lay into us, please consider if you would like to do what we do while receiving the appreciation that we get (or don't get).
Please don
t say that I am whining, either. Many, or most of us could make more money in other sectors of the job market, but we decide to put ourselves between you, the flying public, and that idiot out there intent on harming you.
Bless you all
For those of you non-screeners, picture yourself sitting next to an x-ray machine. Your knees are probably touching the machine as the bags pass through. At any moment you may see on that screen what you have been trained to identify as an improvised explosive device. It is now probably about six inches from your family-making apparatus. How many times do you think that the thought has gone through our heads "What in the h...ll am I doing here for $25,000. a year, putting myself into this position, and the public doesn't give a d..mn about anything but getting through the process."
Add to that the management attitude that we deal with daily. Is it worth it? I still think that it is, if someday, in some way I may prevent some wacko from getting onto a plane (or deciding to detonate a bomb in our checkpoint)and destroying that plane, maybe hurting or killing you or your loved ones. I think that every screener here feels the same way. When those of you (you know who you are) lay into us, please consider if you would like to do what we do while receiving the appreciation that we get (or don't get).
Please don
t say that I am whining, either. Many, or most of us could make more money in other sectors of the job market, but we decide to put ourselves between you, the flying public, and that idiot out there intent on harming you.
Bless you all
Dec 1, 2003 | 3:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain:
Guys and Girls I am pretty new here. Some of you have read my postings. I am a Lead screener at (you can probably guess what airport). Please let me fill those of you in who are not screeners on who we are and what we do. I think that all of the screeners that post here will agree that they took this job mainly because of 9-11 and their true desire to do SOMETHING to make a difference. I know that probably most of us have been greatly disallusioned. I am sorry for that.
For those of you non-screeners, picture yourself sitting next to an x-ray machine. Your knees are probably touching the machine as the bags pass through. At any moment you may see on that screen what you have been trained to identify as an improvised explosive device. It is now probably about six inches from your family-making apparatus. How many times do you think that the thought has gone through our heads "What in the h...ll am I doing here for $25,000. a year, putting myself into this position, and the public doesn't give a d..mn about anything but getting through the process."
Add to that the management attitude that we deal with daily. Is it worth it? I still think that it is, if someday, in some way I may prevent some wacko from getting onto a plane (or deciding to detonate a bomb in our checkpoint)and destroying that plane, maybe hurting or killing you or your loved ones. I think that every screener here feels the same way. When those of you (you know who you are) lay into us, please consider if you would like to do what we do while receiving the appreciation that we get (or don't get).
Please don
t say that I am whining, either. Many, or most of us could make more money in other sectors of the job market, but we decide to put ourselves between you, the flying public, and that idiot out there intent on harming you.
Bless you all</font>
Guys and Girls I am pretty new here. Some of you have read my postings. I am a Lead screener at (you can probably guess what airport). Please let me fill those of you in who are not screeners on who we are and what we do. I think that all of the screeners that post here will agree that they took this job mainly because of 9-11 and their true desire to do SOMETHING to make a difference. I know that probably most of us have been greatly disallusioned. I am sorry for that.
For those of you non-screeners, picture yourself sitting next to an x-ray machine. Your knees are probably touching the machine as the bags pass through. At any moment you may see on that screen what you have been trained to identify as an improvised explosive device. It is now probably about six inches from your family-making apparatus. How many times do you think that the thought has gone through our heads "What in the h...ll am I doing here for $25,000. a year, putting myself into this position, and the public doesn't give a d..mn about anything but getting through the process."
Add to that the management attitude that we deal with daily. Is it worth it? I still think that it is, if someday, in some way I may prevent some wacko from getting onto a plane (or deciding to detonate a bomb in our checkpoint)and destroying that plane, maybe hurting or killing you or your loved ones. I think that every screener here feels the same way. When those of you (you know who you are) lay into us, please consider if you would like to do what we do while receiving the appreciation that we get (or don't get).
Please don
t say that I am whining, either. Many, or most of us could make more money in other sectors of the job market, but we decide to put ourselves between you, the flying public, and that idiot out there intent on harming you.
Bless you all</font>
You the TSA "hero" here at FT, making the skies safe for me and all flyers in the USA (Waving flag: "God Bless Her!") will never in your life, place eyes on a terrorist and know it if you did. You will never thwart a bombing nor will you probably even ever find anything significant in the "war against terror". Sure you may find a switch blade, fire cracker/sparkler, box cutter, perhaps even a gun but none of these items are capable of taking over a plane even when they do get through (as we all know they do). The TSA (and you TSA posters) needs to get over itself and understand that it is not "in the line of fire" and stop trying to get us to believe this crap. Seriously, only grandma and grandpa would buy into your "TSA=Hero". It's unfortunate for you (and your babies) that you feel you must stay in a position, knowing you could make more elsewhere, because of the Captain America cape you decide to wear all in the name of Safety.