Personally, I could care less if I saw that someone had been fired because of an incident. I would be happy though, to see the tSA admit to mistakes when they are made rather than the patting on the back we see saying "procedures were followed". Some accountability is definitely in order. Even a statememt saying "disiplinary actions have been taken". Of course, you have to first admit a mistake has been made.

I'll share some background info about myself. My last military duty assignment was with the US Army Safety Center. I assisted in many aircraft accident investigations. These accidents cost millions of dollars in aircraft and the lost lives of my fellow aviators. Many of these were attributed to human failure. Commanders made some really piss poor decisions in training requirements and mission assignments,but were not held accountable. Aircraft parts that are not made to standard cost the government millions of dollars and man hours also. Where is your outrage and the need for accountability for these screw-ups? These things that happen with the TSA is chump change compared to the waste/fraud record of other government agencies.

Twice in one day, how is that possible Tazi ??

I totally agree. The TSA "should" be held accountable for "any" mistakes that are made.
Furthermore, those mistakes should been owned up to also.

I only have time for so much "outrage" so when something personally as well as financially affects me, I get ticked off. Military aircraft accidents do not personally affect me, other than on a purely financial basis. TSA abuse and errors do affect me both personally and financially. Therefore, that is something I will object most strenuously to. Nobody in the military is performing disgusting random harassments of me - except when the National Guard was forced to participate in this disgraceful attack on civil liberties at the checkpoints.

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Asleep at the wheel during high school civics class?

Just checking.

I don't think we need to be informed if anyone was fired or not. People get fired from government jobs all the time and those are not public knowledge unless it involves a highly placed figure. It is just not important to know what happened to each individual. What is important is knowing what will be done to prevent such a thing from happening again. I read the other day that two screeners found a couple of loaded handguns in two individuals bags. Where is the praise when they do something right? It is always easier to find fault. As for the two guns, some on here would say the screeners should not have said anything about them since they were not looking for guns specifically. I have a friend who recently took a job as a screening manager at Denver and he tells me that they find guns in carry-on bags almost daily there. So they must be doing something right, but where is the press on that? Good news does not sell, thats why.

Ohhhh, YIPEE!!! They are doing their jobs correctly. Big Deal! I do my job correctly EVERY day, yet I do not expect praise for that.

However, if I screw something up, I stand up and take ownership. Maybe this is why I would never make it as a government employee.

As for telling us how mistakes are not going to happen again, look at SEA and BOS. Those two stations for example are failing at least once a month.

The public deserves to know when a Government Employee who screwed up, costing TAXPAYERS thousands and thousands of dollars has been terminated. Otherwise, we will assume that they are still on the job.

If we're kept in the dark about TSA operations, and not informed about terminations, how do you expect us to act? "Trust us" doesn't go well with "none of your business."

I personally would want to know that the incompetents -- if they didn't get fired -- weren't working at any airports I happen to travel through.

They aren't looking for guns?

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Nooooo! It had to be different days!



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Tazi, from what I understand the guns were in the checked baggage. I could be wrong about that as I was leaving my hotel room and caught the end of the story on CNN. Either way, they were kept off of the plane and thats a good thing in my opinion.

Hey CameraGuy, I know of several military pilots (Government Employees) who cost the tax payers MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars by hotdog flying and then using my fine product to save their butts. Do you ever hear about what has been done to them? Nope. So why would you expect to be told about everything that goes on with the TSA guys? Maybe it has more to do with your disdain for that particular agency and less to do with the actual dollar amount.

ACES II, The number one ejection seat in service in the world today. "If you overextend your flying ability, ACES II will see you through!"

Abuse of power and/or incompetence has always been less tolerated among government employees in direct contact with the public.

Those who abuse "your fine product" may outrage only you. Those who abuse our fellow citizens are in a position to personally abuse us.

A hotdog pilot who toasts a million dollar aircraft is of much less concern than a rogue cop.

Do you not see the difference?

Yes I know what you are saying, and "rogue" cops are one thing, but informing the public about what might or might not have happened to some screener is not necessary, nor is it ever likely to happen. Do we hear about every federal employee that is fired for incompetence? No, nor should we. We don't hear about every police officer who is fired either. It is just not important to have every single one of these individuals punishment, if any, posted for all to see.

If I did not think differently, and I don't, I would think that some on here would just like to see it for their own personal elation.

If we are expected to believe the BS about how the TSA is working to protect us, and that everything within reason (that can be done in that area) is being done to assure it, then there is absolutely no excuse for not telling us. For all we know, the TSA could be pulling a Cardinal Law job on us; moving the incompetent screeners to other airports and hoping they don't get noticed. If the incompetents all end up at Sea-Tac, I want to know about it, because I'm not flying to Seattle again.

You cannot expect confidence in the TSA if the TSA will not tell us what happens to the incompetents. Period. Otherwise, we can draw the reasonable conclusion that the incompetents are still out there, and we will continue to carp about them.

Want some sympathy for the TSA? Reveal what happens to the screwups.

Irrelevant.

Ah. I see. So you would have no problem with it if the incompetents are retained at their jobs?

If so, then you are admitting that the security inspections are only for show.