I got into a friendly debate with my coworkers regarding TSA. In a nutshell, if hypothetically had the option to fly on a flight without TSA security, would you? On one hand, it'd be cheaper, no waiting in lines, no restrictions on what you could bring with you, and no screening. On the other hand, everyone else flying with you isn't screened either. Would you book TSA or non-TSA?

You are assuming the point of TSA security is solely to protect passengers on the plane.

The effectiveness of TSA in preventing losses is a completely different debate. I was curious about people's opinions on the personal value of the security provided.

Like I said, the personal value of the security provided is more about the people on the ground, not the people on the plane. TSA security isn't to provide security for the passengers. Did you think it was?

Should there be passenger screening? I think YES is the clear answer but government employees should not perform that task. TSA should be a regulatory agency only. Screeners should be employees of the airport. Screenings should be limited to actual WEI and not water, baby formula, embossed purses, cupcakes in jars, and all the other non-WEI items TSA has confiscated over the years.

This discussion is just plowing a field already plowed.

I view TSA as theatre designed to make people feel safer about flying. Could it thwart some idiot trying to do something stupid? Sure. Does it have any real value in preventing a major threat...not in my opinion.

If I recall, Domestic flights in New Zealand under 90 seats do not require it and small airports no not do it.

The odds of an incident without screening are still infinitesimally small so yes; I'd willingly fly without any screening.

A large, private jet and a commercial airliner both represent the same threat to people on the ground. Yet the security at a standard FBO, governed largely by market forces, is radically different from TSA at a public airport, which is governed by public policy. Should market forces be allowed to govern security at public airports, or only at private airports?

I probably was too general in my question. The friendly debate was more along the lines of "If MDW had TSA and ORD didn't, which would you fly and how much of a premium would pay to do so?" The underlying assumptions are that you still have to show an ID to fly, and your luggage can be searched, but it's at the airline's discretion, just like a private FBO.

I think that the risk potential is such that either choice will give similar results.

But if the 'security" you object to was removed... and THEN an incident occurred as a result, would YOU sue or expect compensation of any sort? I think thats the question. If you would take legal action AFTER choosing the "unscreened" option, then you weren't REALLY against "security", right?

Good point. Everyone involved should sign a liability waiver.

Does that mean your position is that you'd fly either and the premium is $0?

Anyone can fly without TSA and with liquids; it is called JSX.

I wish they flew to more places.

Actually, that's anyone who flies under Part 135. There are a lot more than JSX. Though there are other considerations to be made when flying those...

Me, too. especially operating from the DC Metro area. HEF or IAD would be perfect, heck, I would probably make the drive down to RMN, for that matter.

From their FAQ re: TSA:

What is the security process at JSX?

Your safety is our top priority, and JSX is proud of its industry leading TSA-approved security program, offering Customers a secure travel experience without compromising the convenience you expect from JSX.

Some examples of how we prioritize your safety and security when traveling with JSX include:

-Vetting all Customers through TSA Secure Flight, the same TSA-provided background check process used by the major airlines.

-Using state-of-the-art Evolv walk-through metal detectors.

-Being the first public charter operator to deploy advanced x-ray technology.

-Screening all Customer and Crewmember baggage for explosives and other dangerous items.

-Confirming Customer identification both at check-in and at boarding.

-Equipping all JSX aircraft with reinforced flight deck doors.

Please remember that the transport of illicit or illegal substances or materials in checked or carry-on baggage or otherwise is strictly prohibited by law and is subject to seizure and prosecution by law enforcement or by local governing agencies.

Transport of illicit or illegal substances or materials could lead to fines, prosecution, or legal and other administrative actions. JSX will contact law enforcement if suspected substances are identified in checked or carry-on baggage or otherwise, and JSX reserves the right to deny boarding and/or take other action as deemed necessary in its sole discretion.