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Old Apr 4, 2026 | 4:55 pm
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Leaving shoes on for screening doesn't sit well with everyone.

Senate Democrat demands that TSA lift its "shoes-on" policy, calling it a "reckless" safety risk
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Old Apr 5, 2026 | 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
I believe that the implementation of REAL ID can be used to justify the shoes-off policy in a response given the timing of each action, regardless of what the OIG says. Corrective action is not necessary IMO; DHS can reply that they disagree and leave the matter unresolved/open on the OIG side. Not everything the OIG says needs to be taken as gospel, just responded to.
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Old Apr 5, 2026 | 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Ari
I believe that the implementation of REAL ID can be used to justify the shoes-off policy in a response given the timing of each action, regardless of what the OIG says. Corrective action is not necessary IMO; DHS can reply that they disagree and leave the matter unresolved/open on the OIG side. Not everything the OIG says needs to be taken as gospel, just responded to.
I agree that leaving shoes on is reasonable and that applies for all people being screened. I think a chance of probability viewpoint needs to play a role and the threat of a shoe born weapon is so low on the threat matrix that it doesn't even show on the scope. Of course I think the same holds true for liquids. TSA has operated on 'if something is possible no matter how remotely' then it must be prohibited. Maybe some clearer minds are starting to run TSA, at least I hope that's the case.
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Old Apr 13, 2026 | 1:45 pm
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I too wonder how Clear stays in business, beyond partnering with credit cards to get cardholders to sign up for free.
Judging by all the offers for free trials and such, I suspect they may be having a hard time staying in business.

Touchless pre-check is the new Clear. Not enough people signed up to make the lines long . . . and your ID is your face.
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Old Apr 14, 2026 | 1:22 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy
Judging by all the offers for free trials and such, I suspect they may be having a hard time staying in business.

Touchless pre-check is the new Clear. Not enough people signed up to make the lines long . . . and your ID is your face.
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Old Apr 14, 2026 | 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy
Judging by all the offers for free trials and such, I suspect they may be having a hard time staying in business.

Touchless pre-check is the new Clear. Not enough people signed up to make the lines long . . . and your ID is your face.
Judging solely by what I have seen at our airport, Pre is alive and well. They run a localized sign up/interview in one of the offices here from time to time. Over the last 3 weeks, every single time I have walked past that office, it has been lined up, seats nearby full of people filling out paperwork, etc. Understandably, that probably translates to a few hundred at the most, but the Pre program is still pulling people in. I still say that if you have International travel in your mix, Global Entry is the better buy for the money.
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Old Apr 15, 2026 | 12:24 pm
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Can they allow international travelers to not go through security again? Or select trusted countries like Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc.? It adds needless time and effort for major airports to double check people. Same goes with luggage, make them interline all the way through like before.

As for the Senate Dem protest, easy to say with escorts. Make all Congressmen take their shoes off then.
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Old Apr 15, 2026 | 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ABC Traveler
Can they allow international travelers to not go through security again? Or select trusted countries like Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc.? It adds needless time and effort for major airports to double check people. Same goes with luggage, make them interline all the way through like before.

As for the Senate Dem protest, easy to say with escorts. Make all Congressmen take their shoes off then.
The critters should receive no special accommodations. Let them experience what everyone else must.
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Old Apr 15, 2026 | 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
the threat of a shoe born weapon is so low on the threat matrix that it doesn't even show on the scope. Of course I think the same holds true for liquids.
Correct. Two decades and billions of passengers screened, and not one single case of an attempted terrorist incident with those vectors (or any other, for that matter).
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Old Apr 16, 2026 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by ABC Traveler
Can they allow international travelers to not go through security again? Or select trusted countries like Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc.? It adds needless time and effort for major airports to double check people. Same goes with luggage, make them interline all the way through like before.
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The challenge is ensuring every airport in that country has security protocols that meet the standards we would want, because a passenger from, say, Deagu Korea or Kobe Japan clears security there, transfers in Incheon/Haneda/Narita onto US. Nothing against those airports, but how does TSA get comfortable their security protocols are sufficient?
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Old Apr 16, 2026 | 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by drewguy
The challenge is ensuring every airport in that country has security protocols that meet the standards we would want, because a passenger from, say, Deagu Korea or Kobe Japan clears security there, transfers in Incheon/Haneda/Narita onto US. Nothing against those airports, but how does TSA get comfortable their security protocols are sufficient?
Exchange programs so each screening authority can study each others programs. Not a fast process but learning and then seeing required procedures would help evaluate similarities.
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Old Apr 16, 2026 | 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by drewguy
The challenge is ensuring every airport in that country has security protocols that meet the standards we would want, because a passenger from, say, Deagu Korea or Kobe Japan clears security there, transfers in Incheon/Haneda/Narita onto US. Nothing against those airports, but how does TSA get comfortable their security protocols are sufficient?
It's a solvable problem, if there is desire. And frankly its a bit arrogant/naive to believe that our security in the US is somehow the best in the world. Frankly, TSA has been caught with their pants down countless times over the years and I think most savvy travelers acknowledge that its mostly security theater.

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Old Apr 28, 2026 | 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
Judging solely by what I have seen at our airport, Pre is alive and well. They run a localized sign up/interview in one of the offices here from time to time. Over the last 3 weeks, every single time I have walked past that office, it has been lined up, seats nearby full of people filling out paperwork, etc. Understandably, that probably translates to a few hundred at the most, but the Pre program is still pulling people in. I still say that if you have International travel in your mix, Global Entry is the better buy for the money.
They accept Precheck at YYZ and YUL airports (YYZ even actively directed me to it when I attempted to enter the normal line because I was not looking for Precheck signage since I was outside of the US). Between that and the mobile passport control app I'm not sure how much time GE would really save me. Depending on your travel patterns and how big of a pain getting to a GE interview location is for you, Precheck might just be a better fit even though GE only cost marginally more.
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Old May 1, 2026 | 3:04 pm
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Canada and Dubai already have TSA-Pre/Global Entry lines that exempt you from torture in the States. I don't see why it can't be replicated elsewhere.
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Old May 3, 2026 | 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by ABC Traveler
Canada and Dubai already have TSA-Pre/Global Entry lines that exempt you from torture in the States. I don't see why it can't be replicated elsewhere.
Canada and Abu Dhabi (not Dubai) indeed have Global Entry lines but no TSA-PRE. The only place with TSA Pre outside of the US is NAS. Canadian airports allow Global Entry members (only the ones holding a physical GE card) to use a fast lane when using preclearance facilities en route to the US.
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