Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
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The United States and the European Union reaffirmed their commitment to continue working closely together on aviation security generally, including meeting next week in Washington D.C. to further assess shared risks and solutions for protecting airline passengers, whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel.
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I'm off to Mugello then onto Catalunya for the last week in May and first week in June, so I'm following this closely. I need my gear to shoot here at home and racing abroad. Sigh.
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The United States and the European Union reaffirmed their commitment to continue working closely together on aviation security generally, including meeting next week in Washington D.C. to further assess shared risks and solutions for protecting airline passengers, whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel.
The United States and the European Union reaffirmed their commitment to continue working closely together on aviation security generally, including meeting next week in Washington D.C. to further assess shared risks and solutions for protecting airline passengers, whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel.
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Press Office
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Press Release
May 17, 2017
Contact: DHS Press Office, 202-282-8010
JOINT STATEMENT BY THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION AND DHS ON AVIATION SECURITY COOPERATION
BRUSSELS – Today, European Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos, and European Commissioner for Transport, Violeta Bulc, hosted a delegation from the United States in Brussels, led by Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke, to discuss issues related to aviation security and safety.
At the meeting, both sides exchanged information on the serious evolving threats to aviation security and approaches to confronting such threats. Participants provided insight into existing aviation security standards and detection capabilities as well as recent security enhancements on both sides of the Atlantic related to large electronic devices placed in checked baggage.
The United States and the European Union reaffirmed their commitment to continue working closely together on aviation security generally, including meeting next week in Washington D.C. to further assess shared risks and solutions for protecting airline passengers, whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel.
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1) Its a joint statement meaning both sides agreed to the contents.
2) Nothing has been finalized.
3) They have agreed that what ever comes from this will apply equally to both the EU and the US.
4) The hang up is in the checking of large numbers of large electronic devices.
What I gather from this is that the US went in and said a phone only, the EU said bull.... More information was shared and both sides agreed that something more than a phone was reasonable, but less than if you can carry you can bring it. This leans more towards the idea that the regulation will be some in cabin electronics likely phone and a laptop, but also allowing for some amount of carriage of the items in the hold.
The fact that they are meeting again next week in DC means that we won't likely see new rules for at least another week. However, it does indicated that there will be restrictions coming. The longer this drags out the better it is for us. However, the cynic in me thinks that maybe the EU folks wanted one last trip to the US with their laptops before the ban hits.
The other thing that I like seeing in the release is the "whilst ensuring the smooth functioning of global air travel."
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Except aviation officials in the rest of the world generally follows US actions in this arena so if the US and EU reach an agreement here, I'd expect the rest of the world won't be far behind as was the case with liquids (Australia is already reported to be considering their own laptop ban)
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Except aviation officials in the rest of the world generally follows US actions in this arena so if the US and EU reach an agreement here, I'd expect the rest of the world won't be far behind as was the case with liquids (Australia is already reported to be considering their own laptop ban)
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I think even the paranoid anything-for-security-no-matter-the-cost career DHS people may realize that the public won't stand for being told they can't take take their $1000+ devices back to the US from Europe at all because it can be neither carried on nor checked. (and no, I don't think FedEx @ hundreds of $ per pax is a viable workaround)
Kudos to the EU; I think this may be the first time anyone at this level has tried to stand up to DHS paranoia.
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Except in this case we'd be getting an agreement between Europe and the US. It's hard to imagine that the rest of the world won't follow if the US and Europe put out a ban.
If they don't it's also pretty hard to imagine that the US is going to just ignore the fact that the bad guys they are purporting to thwart could instead just travel with their potential laptops bombs to the US on planes from South America, Australia (already considering a ban), Asia, or Canada/Mexico.
If they don't it's also pretty hard to imagine that the US is going to just ignore the fact that the bad guys they are purporting to thwart could instead just travel with their potential laptops bombs to the US on planes from South America, Australia (already considering a ban), Asia, or Canada/Mexico.
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If this proposal got more publicity in the general public, DHS (at the direction of those above them) would hold fast and push through the ban, because the way things are going, Washington doesn't want to be seen as taking defeats.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
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If this proposal got more publicity in the general public, DHS (at the direction of those above them) would hold fast and push through the ban, because the way things are going, Washington doesn't want to be seen as taking defeats.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
We can only hope there's minimal coverage of this outside of venues for travel enthusiasts like FT.
In contrast, I fully believe the only reason we still have the war-on-water is because by lifting the water ban DHS would lose face by effectively admitting the ban was ineffective and/or unnecessary.
I'm also heartened that much of the press this proposed laptop ban is getting is negative. Instead of the "anything for security" mentality we've seen for the last 16 years, several mainstream articles have pointed out that forcing laptops into the hold is a bad idea that would worsen safety and fail to address the threat of exploding laptops.